• thesporkeffect@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Wow! I can’t believe she didn’t intentionally make the obviously worse choice. Unironically. This is entirely new territory as a democratic voter!

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      2 months ago

      I see it as purposeful messaging that they’re willing to change and be more progressive, if that’s what we want. Now we need to prove them right and get out to the polls.

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        2 months ago

        To be fair though, democrats don’t have a problem getting out to the polls, especially for national elections. No Republican has won the popular vote for 20 years; the only Republican wins in this time were based on technicalities.

        I think what we’ll see in November is the same high voting numbers, but a much different demographics pivoting the central block from old centrists to younger progressives.

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          This is why Kamala and co need to release their plan to unfuck our election system, so we never have to deal with this bullshit again… If they don’t, the left needs to start pushing it

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            That’s the last legit Republican National win. He only won the popular vote in 2004 due to 9/11. He lost the popular vote in 2000 and won by Supreme Court decision.

            These fuckers HAVE to cheat to win.

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              That was also a colossal violation of the Constitution, because of probability and statistics.

              I was too young to understand at the time, but I read that the conservative justices blocked the recount citing concern that the batch of uncounted votes might indicate an attempt by Democrats to steal the election.

              But we can easily show that the uncounted batch was too small to change anything. Consider that, even if every single uncounted vote went to Gore, the resulting variance would still reside well within a statistical margin of error for that sample.

              In other words, that election was the US’ first true tie in a presidential election since 1800. By the constitution it should have triggered a contingent election, which is the business of the legislative branch, NOT judicial.

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      A very strategic pick.

      His wiki page reads like a check-list to attract the republican women voters.

      White

      Male

      From Nebraska

      Veteran.

      Supports Abortion rights.

      “Think of the children” (both him and his wife were teachers).

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      Penny for your thoughts? Pennsylvanians seem to be big fans of Shapiro, though I’ve not heard of Walz before just now.

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        Shapiro is a HUGE Zionist and has had problems in his office with sexual harassment (not by him, but his aides). With some saying he helped to cover it up.

        He may play well in Pennsylvania, he does not play well in many states like Michigan and would not play well with the youth vote. The only real reason to pick Shapiro is for AIPAC money.

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        Shapiro has an extended history of being quite sympathetic to Israel to the point of problematic statements and treating anti-genocide protest as something it’s not.

        Walz has none of that baggage and seems to care about people. He’s a far better (from what I know) person to be one heartbeat away from the presidency.

        He should campaign well and I expect him to keep hitting Trump. Vance will self-own without too much assistance. Punching up will be a great look.

        If Walz is her pick, I’m giddy.

        I’m fairly far left and I want human rights for all. I don’t understand why the party of small government needs to know my internet habits, what happens behind closed doors, what books are read, or why specific medical care (gender affirning or reproductive) is sought.

        We’re people. The republican nanny state can fuck right off.

        That said, I’d like a better safety net. The nation has the money for it if we had a rational tax code. This combination on the ticket gives me hope that all the above are priorities.

        I do NOT want Shapiro except as a calculated play for Pennsylvania. I have 0 interest in a war to defend Israel’s right to be 1940s Germany.

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        Shapiro’s approval rating is fine, but not high enough that the speculation of him guaranteeing Pennsylvania is justified.

        On the other hand, he comes with a lot of baggage - some justified and some not so much - but all of which are terrible optics. He is an incredibly vulnerable pick whose only merit is the vain hope of delivering PA.

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        Shapiro hasn’t been good for education in PA, including leading the closure of several rural public universities and promoting student vouchers. Along with other views, he would not be a progressive pick.

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        Terminally online leftists have seized on a few very old comments from Shapiro (when he was like 21) and taken more recent ones out of context for performative outrage with regard to the current Israeli conflict. The oddest part is that his actually policy position is shared by Harris, Kelly, Beshear, and even Walz. He’s the only Jewish person on that list, though. That couldn’t have anything to do with it, right?

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          His “actual policy position” was saying the protests in his state should be forcefully disbanded and implicitly compared protesters to the KKK. He was worse than every other option, for very specific reasons that would have been easy for you to learn if you tried.

          Like in the protests themselves, charges of antisemitism are inappropriately deployed whenever criticism is leveled against Israel and its supporters.

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          Establishment dems like you need to suck it up and vote with the democrats. You always complain when you don’t get everything you want. Don’t you know how compromise works? You’re like little babies it’s not all or nothing. That’s not how real politics works

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      I hoped that Biden dropping out heralded a tipping point away from the arrogant, conservative old guard that was stifling progress and toward a more progressive future.

      I’m more hopeful still. I missed hope.