Summary
Many Democrats, especially women, expressed disillusionment and frustration online, viewing the result as a reflection of deep-seated misogyny in the U.S.
Harris supporters highlighted anger that a “felony convicted, twice-impeached” Trump prevailed over a female candidate.
Comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss resurfaced, with many attributing Trump’s win to targeted appeals to young men, including appearances with influencers like Joe Rogan.
The election outcome has intensified concerns over growing right-wing radicalization among young men.
Not “just hates women” it also hates minorities of all kinds.
People always go with the excuse that coincidentally makes them least responsible, unless they win and then it’s 100% all them.
My favorite is “America is a deeply sexist country!” followed by “But misogyny didn’t contribute to this defeat at all!” by abstainers.
You can’t say that it didn’t contribute at all. I don’t think anyone is. And if they are, they’re stupid. But trying to boil it down to just that answer is even more stupid.
Harris retained more male Biden voters than female.
Capitalism is eating people alive. And people are fuckin sick of it. The democrats are the one party that actually pretends to try to appear to be on the “right” side, but will throw the working class under their campaign bus the minute the big money donors pull on their strings. So the betrayal people feel from the dems is fuckin palpable.
That, I think, is the biggest contributor. We are told they are the ones that will actually do good, but then get in office and “stay the course,” so their voters turn on them. Then we get people like trump and bush in office, and people are disgusted, so we hold our noses and vote for the democrats. But they’re Lucy and we’re Charlie Brown, and the cycle starts all over again. Meanwhile, the Overton window keeps lurching to the right, capitalism scorches the earth and robs us blind, and we all get more desperate. People are angrier than ever, and feel even more betrayed because it’s increasingly clear to more and more people that we have no one in our corner.
But here come the democrats again, telling us we’re on the right path, that we just have to trust them and their incrementalism nonsense while they try to court some nonexistent right-leaning swing voter. They fucked up bad on that last point this go round. They turned their backs on us in a big way to parade the Cheneys around telling us they were going to put republicans in the White House even if the democrats win? What in the fuck were they thinking?
Meanwhile, the Overton window keeps lurching to the right, capitalism scorched the earth and we all get more desperate.
Yes, tell me more about how much more conservative we were during the Biden administration than during the Bush administration. I’m all ears.
Dem leadership are feckless, spineless, and utterly out of touch. But that even left-wing voters slurp up shit propaganda that helps the right-wing because it sounds truthy is probably the most damning indictment of the American electorate.
One could make the argument that the leftists are right, and the people who keep supporting the democrats as they continually walk us down the path toward collapse are the ones that are slurping up propaganda about the system being able to save itself.
Look at the long list of anarchist and leftist thinkers. They’ve been ignored and shunted off to the side since the late 1800s. Arrested, killed, devastated by state propaganda. Assassinated, vilified.
All the while, democrats have been walking hand in hand with the republicans, defending the rotting corpse of capitalism as it drags us all under. We’ve had answers as to why so many are suffering. But those answers are a threat to the ownership class and the prevailing order. And I would argue that not upturning that order, instead opting to vote for the “lesser of two evils” no matter what, is 50% responsible for the situation we’re in.
You said it yourself. You want spineless, feckless, out of touch leaders so that we can avoid spiteful, hateful leaders. The spineless, feckless out of touch bunch was courting the spiteful hateful bunch. Because throughout history, liberals will reach for the fascists when the cry for true change to help the people become deafening. Look at France. Right now. The liberal, trying to hold onto power and the standing order, formed a coalition with the right wing, instead of the left wing that won the majority of the votes. Look at Harris, parading around the fuckin Cheney family when people were really just asking them to stop slaughtering children in Gaza and the West Bank.
Isn’t following that same path, regardless of the recorded history of a fascist outcome the more likely candidate for “slurping up propaganda?” Blaming the electorate for their entirely reasonable wants being ignored.
This is exactly how fascists have come to power. Through a desire to maintain the status quo and an uneasy alliance between liberals and the right wing. Defenders of the status quo thinking it’s better to go fascist than to challenge the prevailing order. Blaming the people who want real change when the people you were voting for lurched right is the definition of succumbing to a propaganda campaign.
We lost because of a lack of blue votes but what, 40% of the US basically voted to have them as property?
Trump voters are misogynistic assholes, that’s a given, and pay off the reason the Dems shouldn’t have been trying to get them… But it’s not like a bunch of people who voted for Joe went and voted for Trump… He didn’t get more votes this time. Millions of Biden voters just didn’t show up… And I don’t believe for a second that they didn’t show up because they just didn’t want to vote for a woman
It does suck that this country has so many misogynists… But they are a known factor and can/should have been planned for… that’s not what cost Dems this election
“Republicans hate women.” Plain and simple. Saw it on a t-shirt and just had to have it. God bless the truth coming out💙
Trump used misogyny the entire campaign.
I guess that had nothing to do with it ? I guess that you are saying that was just a coincidence ?
Nice talking to you.
While there were many detrimental factors Dems failed to properly address or apparently expected to be treated as positives, the obvious main one was attempting to outflank the GOP from the right. Every attempt to talk negatively about immigration or social issues was bound to result in more people taking Trump seriously instead of thinking Dems will do something. Everything about the illegal immigration rethoric was false, from the numbers to the effects, and Dems knew it - they decided they wanted to pretend this issue exists, so they can also play the right wing populist game. Pro-genocidal rethoric was also something right wing electorate knew Trump would do better, and some people disgusted with that rethoric decided not to vote. Dems wanted to become more right wing, to get that sweet ability to talk complete bullshit about everything and cover their inefficiencies with the mirages of bigotry. They believed their more “reasonable” right wing populist will win instead of wild maniacy like Trump - exactly as they did back in 2016, except this time Kamala had the chance to shape a different image for herself and she refused to do so. They gambled going to get away with moving further right and still getting elected, since Trump should have been very unpopular by all metrics they were capable of imagining. Instead, they gained no votes from the right and lost a fuck ton from the center and the left. Their arrogant and callous campaign sentenced many americans to likely death. They absolutely could have fought with all they had and ceded concessions to their voters instead of donors and “allies” like Israel. They could have went left instead of right, as many of us hoped after the Walz VP pick. Instead they lost, as the worse and less dedicated right wing party of US. They’re to blame for what’s going to happen next, not some abstract impossible to be pointed with finger voters. Yeah, Harris being a black woman in this deeply conservative society was a detriment to her chances. That was outside of her control, unlike everything else she did or didn’t do.
I’ll be honest, unless most of the Democratic Party gets purged, it’s probably meaningless to vote for them (assuming you even can) in 2028. There couldn’t have been easier victory to be had, and they fucked it up. They should have called Trump a pedophile, but were afraid that their own pedophiles like Clinton would get hit with a shrapnell. They could have promised to tax the ultra rich, like Elon Musk down to the fucking ground, but they wanted their money themselves. They didn’t want to promise anything big, knowing fully well that no one would believe them with their terrible track record of implementing any meaningful and radical chances, while Trump claimed everything was the fault of immigrants and foreign adversaries and promised radical actions against them. Believing that they wont pull the same bullshit in 2028 is naive, they will refuse to learn anything from this catastrophe, move further right and campaign on “returning to the norm”. Fuck them. Let the greedy fucks burn, just as you will because of them. USA needs a third (and fourth, and fifth…) party, and it needs it now instead of in 4 years. Dems should be completely discarded, and I hope the pain you will feel in next 4 years, pain that they could have prevented but chose not to instead, will convince you as well.
Yeah, I’m done, sorry for the rant. Posts casting blame on voters instead of Dems majorly piss me off right now.
No, America is not too racist or sexist to elect a woman of color. It’s that they need to be a progressive. It’s a package deal.
There’s simply not many people who fall into ‘progressive enough to vote for a woman of color, but conservative enough to be anti-immigrant and pro-genocide.’
Jesus…
I think like this, the only time Trump lost, was when racing against another white cishet dude, just more white and old than him, more respectable so to speak, he even was a previous VP. Harris had that same feat in the list, among lot of qualifications. Patriarchy is real, 10 million voters that showed up for him, didn’t for her, and I can’t help to draw the same conclusions here. This is what you get when you let your country lean to the right year after year. After witnessing this defeat, I’m now sure 100% that USA is not going to have a woman as president in my lifetime. The only way for this to happen is both Dems and Reps present woman candidates, so you will be forced to pick a woman one way or another. And Reps are not going to present such candidate in my lifetime.
You morons pick the clown over the woman, so far 100% of times it happened. White, latino and black men are still mostly male chauvinists, and that shows. A woman very qualified for the job is not fit for being president. If you want this to change, conversations about misogyny need to happen among your friends and family, denying this will not make it disappear, dumbfucks.
Misogyny likely played a small factor. AZ for example has trump up by a couple percent, but also Kari Lake down a couple percent. And her whole platform was “whatever helps trump”. The numbers aren’t huge, but it’s likely at least part of that gap.
I’ve been joking since she won her primary that she’s going to lose because even the Dems in AZ are sexists who like veterans.
The race is narrower than I would’ve expected because Harris’s right-wing heelturn fucked the down ballot races. I genuinely believe that lowered turnout in big numbers
A portion of voters didn’t even know Joe Biden had dropped from the race or why. Everyone thinking it’s merely that the policies weren’t progressive enough is clueless about the information environment many Americans live in today.
So rational wow
Oh wait this is not The Onion.
Oh no people here are actually buying this crap.
Men who respect women don’t vote for a rapist.
Oh no now democrats are using moral purity arguments. What happened to trashing those for the last year?
Maybe we need to move further right to appeal to all those sexist racist right wingers,. That will do it. No other reason democrats lost.
I don’t think that way, personally.
I think that America is just dumb af. Every stance Republican Voters claim to care about: Trump performs worse on. But they were told he was their guy by Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Money won the race.
People are seriously underestimating just how stupid the Trump voter is. Sure, 10% of them are selfish, racist, misogynist, pieces of shit. The rest are too fucking dumb to accurately describe. These morons not only have fully submitted themselves to the propaganda bubble world they choose to remain in, but they are willing to believe, and do believe, multiple contradicting lies at the same time. They lack the most basic level of reasoning that many pets have. For example, they will believe that Biden doesn’t exist and is actually an actor, Obama is controlling Biden as president, Trump is secretly president already, that Biden is manipulating everything against Trump, and that Biden is too senile to do anything. It’s not that they think some of these conspiracies could be true, they believe all of it at the same time. Even my dog knows that the treat being in one hand means it’s not in the other hand. Even my dog can understand we live in one reality. These people are dumber than fucking rocks.
Yup. This was my conclusion as well. Elon likely turned the tide of the election, and he barely dipped into his available funds.
All of us struggling to survive, making an honest living… We’re just seen as trash. Trump, Elon, Jeff… They don’t have to call us garbage. They know we’re garbage. They know it every time they both commit, and get away with crimes, and every time they toss money around with barely a thought.
It’s already so bad… The inflation, the debt, the hours. The average American is no longer hopeful that they might achieve prosperity. What happens when Trump raises our taxes, while cutting taxes for the wealthy? What happens when the war on porn and abortion is cranked up? What happens when hundreds of millions of people become desperate, disillusioned, and disenfranchised?
I think Putin knows. I know. You all probably have some idea.
Help the people around you as much as you can, everyone. Don’t let the country descend into chaos. Even when countless Americans hate us for it, we have to help even those people.
I think this is basically it. Americans are stupid, immoral people.
They put a proven rapist, convicted felon, and fascist in the White House after he killed a million Americans with Covid and openly talked about deploying the military on our fellow citizens.
Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.
You could say the same about the people of any country that’s committed terrible acts. It’s easier sometimes to demonize an entire people - fascists do this famously with great success. Trump won, in no small part, because he did exactly this.
So sure, you can do the same. You can call all Americans shitty. Maybe thats the lesson you can take from all of this: It worked for Trump, so why not you?
I don’t agree with this sort of thing, though. I don’t agree with fascist talking points. I think this sort of thinking leads to unspeakable things.
It’s what decades of intentional suppression of education paired with propaganda will do to people.
Let’s not forget the network of churches fomenting regressive lessons, for decades.
The bar probably does go lower than you think for humanity, but yeah we might be approaching all new lows.
Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.
I don’t know about that. But it might be argued that they are really bad considering they have excellent access to information and still chose the path of least resistance, that being information at appeals to their beliefs.
This guy won the popular vote by a 3% margin. We beat him last time by a 4% margin.
But sure… Let’s pretend everyone in America chose this guy last Tuesday.
Don’t underestimate misogyny / bro culture in the US. Combine that with machismo in some subcultures and the weird religious beliefs that women should be subservient and at home making babies and we’ll never see a female president at this rate.
The fact that “tradwife” entered the lexicon and is popular on social media tells you basically everything you need to know about how many Americans think of women in this country.
My dude we don’t have presidents anymore.
I’m not really underestimating it, it’s clearly there and a very huge problem, but if Harris was the candidate offering to cut taxes for the rich and Trump was the candidate threatening to change half of all US Cars to electric in 10 years, then the outcome would be opposite to what it was.
If that was true then Obama would have lost and Nikki Haley would have been the Republican nominee.
Our socioeconomic situation almost 20 years ago isn’t the same as it is now. The Rich are much richer now than then, the middle class existed in much greater numbers, Russia and China weren’t (as much) actively campaigning on the whole US Population’s social media, and fossil fuel companies weren’t at risk of being phased out.
Don’t overestimate it, either. Even places where that “machismo” is in the dominant culture have managed to elect women as presidents.
You know what the real difference is? Their woman presidents aren’t useless fucking neoliberals.
Yup. Most of Central and South America have already had female leaders.
You know Canada used to make fun of America as a daily pastime. We stopped doing that and now look where we are.
I just assumed that started as a reactionary movement responding to South Park.
They think right of progressives makes them Republican. When it really just makes them a liberal.
Don’t overgeneralize. Many of us [edit: US citizens] are not that stupid [edit: and didn’t vote for this dumpster fire].
And as one of those I don’t appreciate the random asshole insults.
Edit: Calling an entire country stupid when you can’t parse that this comment was saying that a large chunk of us didn’t vote for Diaper Donnie is very ironic.
You’re going to get a lot of random asshole insults as a Trump Voter on this instance, pal.
I didn’t vote for Trump ffs… Calling the entire country stupid is an insult to millions of people who knew better. Apparently I didn’t make that obvious enough. Yeesh.
Our country is 52.3% absolute morons, I think I was generous.
And that statement is accurate unlike the previous one.
Well 71 million Trump voters over 244 million eligible voters is 29%.
Let’s just say the vast majority of the country are morons
I will absolutely agree with that.
But a lot of people in America are stupid. And it’s only going to get worse as these same people continue to vote their children out of a free public education.
Yep, that’s all true.
Reading comprehension and logic on Lemmy is nearly as bad as Reddit. I left Reddit for a reason and Lemmy is just turning into a communist version of the pseudo intellectual garbage heap that is Reddit .
Honestly, I feel we have a huge disinformation problem. A war really where billionaires, Russia, Iran,and China are on one side and we’re on the other. They treat it like a war while we treat it like a small infestation. So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime.in a vacuum, cool candidate. Except that many of the strategies he utilize to accomplish those goals seems illegal or unhelpful. Even worse, who cares if he could and would accomplish those goals, He tried to overthrow the government. Yet all the Republicans I know view that as untrue. Mainly in the form of, “I don’t hear about it much, so it’s either fake news,or not really a coup”
Why? Because they get their news from faux news and social media that have focused on keeping those negative aspects of him buried. And both of those things have huge reach.they are the eyes and ears of these voters, how can they not believe their eyes and ears that tell them that Trump is great?
Until that problem is dealt with, we can’t have an informed population that votes. Instead we will have a large group of uninformed voters. It’s not their fault, they’re just some of the first casualties in this disinformation war.
Don’t take the word of a fascist at face value. They don’t argue in good faith. They are all racists and sexists, every single one. They’re just too cowardly to say it to your face.
Completely untrue. Their good intentioned. They just are given news from an alternate reality where Trump is not fascist, racist, and is so smart. When you don’t hear bad news on someone, how can you know their bad?
I’ve had conversations with 4 different people who just happened to go mask off in the last few days. Please stop believing liars.
That’s sad to hear. Not the people I know. Your experience isn’t a reflection of everybody else’s
I saved a comment from u/allmhuran posted to r/news on 2016-06-24:
"Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they’ll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.
But it’s not surprising.
You can’t feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don’t seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.
There’s a cost associated with not telling the truth. There’s a cost associated with polarized, adversarial public discourse. There’s a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.
It is, apparently, time to pay the piper."
There’s a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.
Media: good thing we’re not the ones paying the price! Continue current heading, profits ho!
I think education is a factor here as well. People collectively seemed to have started just taking any sources word as objective truth with no rationalisation or justification. The fact we now have google forcing ai answers onto people that are factually wrong or unreliable and most just don’t question it is emblematic of the problem. People lack critical thinking now.
Very well stated. We need to operate within this reality instead of the fantasy land created by those who will be fine either way.
And what’s the suggestion here? I’m not getting it.
They aren’t suggesting anything. They’re saying we’re poisoned and it’s gone critical.
“So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime”
Except Trump has done none of these things. These people are lying to you, and probably to themselves.
That’s the point I’m trying to make(but didn’t do well). Successful Media is telling Trump can, has and will do these things . If they’re told this repeatedly, with no other sane opinions, of course they will believe it. Worse still, they’re also told views to the contrary are completely false and should be disregarded
The worst part is all of those claims can be easily debunked, but not a one of them will ever believe it.
Unless that the large portion of americas population that thinks the ultra rich are awesome suddenly stops thinking that way then it’s gonna be a difficult battle.
