Clinton won in 1993. The late 1900s. 30+ years ago.

Obama’s entire campaign was on Hope for Change. And he’s the first black President ever.

Are you really trying to argue that these are equivalences?

Ok, whatever makes you feel better.

lol, ok.

If you take any counter argument as condescension it’s probably a lot more about your own insecurities rather than the merits of the arguments. I would guess it’s a pattern in your life. Best of luck to you.

Sure, but you seem like you’ve already found answers that satisfy you. I’m no Sisyphus to push online boulders up a hill, but I will give you my two cents:

In essence, our perspectives differ on apportioning blame. You heap it on voters, while I would argue that, in a two party system, culpability lies with the party who failed to engage and motivate their electorate. That is quite literally their entire raison d’etre.

So it’s easy to say we have ignorant, uneducated, and mean-spirited voters- and I wouldn’t argue that those descriptors are valid in many cases. Which says nothing of decades of declining public education, massive media intervention, oligarch pie-thumbing, or unaddressed racial tensions dating back to the Civil War.

But if that is the clay that an artist is given to mold, then it is incumbent upon the ARTIST to rise to the occasion and find a way to produce a grand work. And if they are unable- if they cannot MAKE GOOD on the necessary products required for civil social union, then they are something worse than an enemy. Ineptitude (feigned or real) is simply no longer tolerable when the stakes are this high.

And the stakes ARE high, despite the constant flip-flopping of messaging from the current administration. We either face clear and present dangers to the Union, or we accept that decorum is MORE important to our leaders than efficacy and the hope of America remaining a going-concern. And if our Leadership chooses decorum over action, if etiquette is their only talent, then the harshest criticism is not only valid, but a requirement of every citizen who still hopes for the erstwhile fantasy of living in and being part of the better American Dream.

That’s a pretty reductionist take, eh? Did it make you feel better to vent? It’s okay to vent. But also consider that you’re only seeing a small part of a larger whole.

So either we are to believe they’ve learned nothing and will continue to alienate their base, while remaining inept fools on the international stage, OR their idea of rebuilding a carbon copy of the previous failures is by design.

A centrist DNC is a loser. A center-right DNC is a loser. The DNC will never beat the Republicans at their own game, so either these strategists are the densest people on the planet, or they are the mouthpieces of Controlled Opposition, exactly as expected.

There is no duality in which savvy, intelligent political players arrive at “Centrism wins,” without some inherent greasy, malfeasant ulterior motives.

It’s difficult to even pretend that they are serious in this endeavor; their every action and utterance is an admission of planned incompetence.

The Abyss created the “liquid” CGI technology that was later used in Terminator 2, to make the liquid metal T-1000.

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Ah you’re right.

Look at these wrinkled old scrotums. Each directly responsible for the downfall of America. Each palsied, spotted claw dipped in the misery of our better citizens.

If leadership is synonymous with accountability, then let the full weight of America’s mighty stumbles rest on their backs. Let them stagger and carry it for the rest of history.

Warren lost any credibility in 2016 2020. She shattered her legacy as fully as Biden is draggin his own name through a river of shit now.

Starting 40 years ago. They’ve been tripping over themselves to throat the Corporate dick for decades.

Easily 60%

Biden is trying to skate on his “Oh I’m an old grandpa looking figure, look at my creepy-ass smile.”

As though people will forget how his actions (and inactions) curated the requirements for our current scenario. Including giving Harris a nearly impossible task, which she also managed to flub as hard as possible while lighting a BILLION dollars on fire.

They’ll ALL bend the knee and smoke the pole when it’s presented.

History has suggested over and over that she’s a bit actor in a grand play of scoundrels. Her every utterance is a paltry smokescreen and a gross injustice. This cabinet will be a Who’s Who of vile sludge and Sue Collins will assuredly press her mark to history’s register of villains.

Oh for sure. Learning about religion is the surest path to atheism, but that doesn’t excuse charlatans who drape themselves in Christianity’s swag.

They “turned against?” Inflammatory much?

Almost like they haven’t read their fucking Bibles.

If they had, they’d understand the import of sections like the Gospel of Matthew, ie

Matthew 24 24:

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Both can be true. Lot of ways to live. Lot of stupid people.

Not only that, but Kamala’s campaign decided to send Bill Clinton to lecture them on the Gaza war, just before the election.

The Harris campaign also sent Hillary Clinton to Florida. Went over like a lead balloon.