In Trump’s defense, violating sacred places is one of the only things he’s actually good at
He’s also got quite the knack for disrespecting soldiers.
And the dead. Remember when he buried his ex wife at his golf club so it would qualify as a cemetery and get tax exempt status.
I wonder how many classified documents are buried with her?
You cant sell them if you bury them.
Yeah I’m sure Trump would never excavate a grave for money.
Don’t forget that he excels at cheating on wives, bankrupting businesses, and stealing money from cancer charities (among other notable achievements)
Or anyone who isn’t him. I think he complains that the people who changes his diaper are too rough on him.
Violating women, too
Violating women ✔️ Violating minorities ✔️ Violating lgbtq+ ✔️ Violating third world countries ✔️ ✅️ Violating federal and state laws ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ Being a treasonous pos while peddling Russian propaganda and their… checks notes… beans? ✔️ x’s 10
Violating deceased American war heros graves??? Check ✔️ 😕
Violating the oval office worse that bill and Monica ✔️
Not to mention the many 70 something election/ fraud/ real estate crimes he has committed.
What’s next? Is trump gonna break into my house and violate me? Unfortunately he already has, he’s violated every single us citizen by infringing upon our rights as Americans and I’ll be dammed if I’m gonna let this orange cunt into my house again, bc that’s what happens if he wins, we are allowing djt into our homes, our schools, our hospitals and beyond.
My fellow dems, arm yourself, be prepared for the worst
arm yourself
Not good enough. You have to practice safety, learn the laws, learn your weapon, put a couple thousand rounds downrange, all that. But thank you for your support, I’m right with ya.
And his supporters love him for it.
SO SERIOUS.
This? This is the red line? Not January sixth? Or collusion with Russia? Or tax evasion? Or selling bibles he’s autographed? Or any of the federal laws he’s broken? 🙄
There’s a chunk of the population for whom this is a very big deal, and it’s easy to communicate what happened.
Right! This is far from the WORST thing he’s done but this plays so poorly with his god-fearing, gun-totin’ patriotism cosplayers.
It’s fine with me. Keep taking L’s donnie!
Thing is, they’re just cosplayers. You don’t obligate yourself to give a fuck about honor just because you dress up like a Klingon.
Shhh they don’t know that
I agree with you but it should never be left unmentioned that anyone who’s not mentally ill enough to let themselves be brainwashed into his cult, I.e. the people who still have some thinking ability left, but still isn’t completely put off by him since Birtherism, is a bad guy and will not be easily welcomed back into society.
In a way the totally crazy Trump fans can be let off easier because they don’t know what they’re doing.
Even the politically obtuse people still honor veterans. This story breaks out of the conservative news silos and the tribal hometown bars.
I guess America has to go chunk by chunk instead of NEVER IN THE FIRST PLACE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS GUY IN CULTURE, BUSINESS, OR POLITICS. Sorry I yelled.
I won’t hold my breath on enough of them changing their votes to change the poll numbers.
fair enough, but it may cause a significant number of people who may have voted for him to decide to not vote at all
And it’s bound to come up at the debate (if the debate happens). Some of his low-info voters will hear about it for the first time that night, and it being a simple thing is important in that scenario.
The problem with those low info voters will be that they will not believe that Trump did something bad.
Humans have honored the dead since before homo sapiens. Laws can be complicated, contradictory, and confusing; respecting the dead is clear and primal.
Yeah, this probably won’t change a lot of minds, but some folks will see there is something wrong about a man who would dishonor the dead to celebrate himself.
I really love how you phrased this
I appreciate your statement and generally agree. However, there is nothing complicated or contradictory about the harm caused in rape or the need to protect children from predators.
“You gotta remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new west. You know. Morons.”
Every little bit helps
Also it helps that he’s going progressively off the rails as time goes on, so his reaction to getting caught for this stuff is getting less and less hinged month by month
The more population groups he (and by association the GOP) pisses off, the better. May the GOP pay dearly for choosing Trump as their Führer.
I think that most Americans, regardless of political affiliation and regardless of how they feel about the various wars we’ve been in over the centuries, find the idea of using our honored dead as political props profoundly offensive. I personally hope that this is the red line finally and the bastard can start facing some real consequences.
It very well could be the line among his supporters who are members of the armed forces, veterans, and their families.
They might have overlooked all the scandals and outrageous things through his campaigns, presidency, and sedition, but this is where many of them have buried their spouses, grandparents, family, and friends.
Currently seeing it happen, buddies who had overlooked issues in the past have started to look at him negatively. Before it was “he has always treated us right.” Now they might write in Rand Paul.
‘He had always treated us right’ lmfao. And they didn’t get a medical discharge for blindness? Because they are blind.
- Dodged Vietnam by making up a case of ‘bone spurs’ that magically disappeared afterward
- ‘I like people who weren’t captured’ to POW and war hero John McCain, repeatedly
- 2018, Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris. ‘In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.’
- Called retired 4-star general John Allen a ‘failed general’, a cursory glance at his Wikipedia page or defense.gov page should illustrate why that’s absurd.
- skipped out on visits to nearly every military cemetery he’s ever been invited to, usually because he’s afraid of the rain. He’s more worried about getting his hairpiece wet than he is worried about paying respect to men and women who died for America to lead to him standing where he is. After seeing his visit to Arlington that’s probably a good thing that he’s afraid of the rain and didn’t go to the others.
And those are just the really big and obvious ones that I remember and can easily look up quotes about. I guarantee you that’s not even a third of the list of the times he’s actively disrespected the military.
Trump doesn’t give half a fuck about you guys, you are not people in his eyes, you’re just guns on legs. He thinks it is your destiny to go die making him a profit, for the simple reason that you are a lower class than he is. If you listen to the statements that come out of his very own mouth it is obvious how he feels this way.
Just another example that in Trump world only one thing counts: Trump. There are no principles . America does not come first. It’s really just him. Incredible how people can vote for someone like that.
January 6th is not seen as an insurrection but as citizens banding together to protect democracy. Collusion with Russia was always seen as a false attempt to make him look bad, especially with things like the dossier being faked. Tax evasion is considered smart if you can do it legally, and the New York prosecution for what the industry considers standard practice reinforced the perspective that it was weaponizing the justice system. Autographed bibles are no more sacrilegious than any of the megachurch/televangelist who buys a private jet because God wants him to to.
Each one of those hurtles may take someone out of his camp, but for some that will only be if there is a viable alternative. Keep in mind that the alternative on the democratic side is trying to end their 2nd amendment rights, open the borders to secure a permanent underclass voting block, and lose the national protection of God by persecuting Christians. It doesn’t matter to what degree any of that is true, that is the hurtle they have to clear.
Since armed service is venerated more on the right than the left, and has higher percentages of veterans and their children, this might indeed be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for some or many. He is grifting in so many areas, that if he is also shown to be a grifter on respecting the armed services in addition to being a false Christian and 1 percenter elite then parts of his base might see him as no better than the Democrats.
As a PR problem.
Liberals are gonna shake their heads REALLY hard this time. They might even say “tsk tsk” under their breath.
The media for the last eight years should just be running a weekly column called “This time Trump went too far and now his supporters will turn on him” and then they can just recap Trump’s actions from the previous week. Meanwhile his poll numbers will remain exactly the same as always.
Thats assuming the media (especially the broadcast media…) reports on what he did truthfully and with the full details.
Which they rarely, if ever, do.
because they have a vested financial and ratings based interest in the chaos he creates, because it drives ratings and enriches them.
This… the media is made up of businesses with shareholders. They do and say what is best for those shareholders. Not what is best for us, or the country, or the planet, or anything else. Expecting them to do otherwise in the system they exist in is delusional.
and you can blame the elimination of the fairness doctrine for the bulk of that.
Because, like everything, it sucks because the Republicans fucked it up so they could manipulate it to their advantage.
Sadly, the fairness doctrine doesn’t seem like it was particularly constitutional. I suppose you could argue that a corporation has no right to free speech. Getting into that debate would be complicated. But that seems like the only way to fix this.
The only truth Trump ever told was when he said he could shoot a civilian on Times Square and not lose any voters.
So is this one making it on Network News or is it all online?
Online only. News networks are all in Trump’s pocket.
Yesterday’s Post (8/29)
Its there. But nothing in the headline about who or what or why it matters. Just enough to be able to say they didn’t bury it.
Seriously, it’s hard to be less informative than that headline.
“Trump Breaks Federal Law By Shooting Campaign Commercial in Arlington Cemetery”…
Weird 34 knows the media loves him for the ads and headlines his name and behavior sells. They’re complicit in that they want the gravy train to never run dry. Don’t reward them. Change the channel, click away, or scroll elsewhere.
Both the NY times and the Washington Post put it on the front page.
In the least impactful, most ambiguous way that they could treat that fucking traitor.
Turns out the neoliberals, who tag teamed the destruction of America with conservatism, will not save America… Who would’ve thought?
Do Americans know the history of Arlington? I was quite amazed to learn how it became a military cemetery. Not hanging Robert Lee and the other high-ranking traitors is perhaps the biggest single mistake in US history. He is still the highest ranking US soldier to ever betray his country, no?
I think Benedict Arnold was a higher rank, but I guess it depends on if the US counted as a “country” at that time. Lee was a colonel when he betrayed the US and became a general under the Confederacy, while Arnold was a general at the time he betrayed the US.
Reconstruction did funny stuff and the mindsets at the time were different. The entire idea of the civil war centered around if we had a federal or confederated government. The confederate argument was states had to ratify the constitution, so therefore they could deratify and break away. Looking back this is obviously wrong, but a large minority of people believed this at the time, including the 15th President I believe. On the other hand, since Lee surrendered unconditionally, the thought process was you don’t kick the man while he’s down. Plus many men in the Union still considered Lee a heroic American figure. Not imprisoning him most likely led to an easier surrender by the rest of the Confederate forces and less paramilitary actions. Reconstruction further limited the punishment of top officials which was a mistake, though there was 0 chance they could end the thoughts and ideals that led to jim crow and the kkk, they could have certainly limited it.
Looking back this is obviously wrong
I suppose it was obviously wrong in practice because the Union’s greater population and industrial capacity made a Union victory almost inevitable, but I wouldn’t say it was obviously wrong as a legal theory. The US was created by people who thought they had a moral right to leave the British empire and in that context it would be odd for them to intend that there should be no legal way for any state to leave the USA.
My understanding is that the US constitution was adopted illegally, anyway. The previous government didn’t have a mechanism to do a full rewrite, I don’t think. The adoption of the constitution via “fuck it, this isn’t working” was almost in living memory at the time of the civil war.
I think the way US history is taught tends to be very civic religion-y
But also like fuck the slave states.
Remember that Benedict Arnold is famous for that. Not saying anyone beats Lee, just that this happens from time to time.
And when you’re a maga they’ll let you do it. Thumbs up in the graveyard, insurrection in the Capitol, you can do anything.
No shit, right? It’s not just Trump. There’s a whole lotta people there. Completely free from consequences, every single one.
You can see why, as much damage as they do, how appealing it is to live a life like that. Fuck the living, fuck the dead, fuck the future. Just do whatever you want.
Pretty sure if he hasn’t been busted for the classified documents thing, he’s getting off scot-free for this one too.
I think the main impact will be to convince a modest but significant slice of voters to not vote for him.
This is more about some number of MAGAts suddenly going “wait a moment”. This is the thing that finally broke through for many.
That place is full of LOSERS and SUCKERS! WHO CARES?
-Patriotic Republicans!
Ya know what’s a very telling sign that his marriage is in shambales? The fact that Melina never, and I mean never appears next to him on the campaign trails. Hell none of his shit stain sons even show up. What’s up Eric, shit stain jr and “barron” trump? Too busy doing blow off of high end escorts to show up??? Djt wouldn’t know family values if it slapped him in the face
And before anyone attacks me for bringing barron into this, he did it to himself
Here’s another indication of the state of their marriage.
Oof. That even hurt my feelings, and I hate both of them.
You should see how she looks at Justin Trudeau
Now that’s some serious thirst right there.
Barron is too busy at summer tryouts for the Lakers, his other sons are running his businesses into the ground, and his daughter would project weekness, so no use having them up there.
I’m fairness to Baron, he saw what was about to happen to him and GTFO. He may be the one child with some sense.
Tiffany nop’d out….
His cultists don’t give a fuck. They don’t give a fuck about anything. He didn’t lose any votes here
He also appears to have sold nuclear secrets to the Russians, which also sounds sort of important or something.
Also exposed our perception capabilities by distribution of imagery in it’s native resolution.
one of America’s most sacred places.
What did he do to the Bass Pro Shop Pyramyd?
Doesn’t every city have a big ass pyramid in the mud?
No just Memphis, and it’s an institution!
Both Memphises!
Thats what violators do. Nothing is sacred except them
And he fucking does not care about it. According to him, the people buried there are “losers”, in case you have forgotten.
You know those videos of people talking on their cell phones during the changing of the guards at Arlington, or videos of total, antisocial assholes fucking with the sentry? Those are Trump voters.
They also litter all the time. Every time I see a car throw some giant bag of convenience store food wrappers out the window there’s MAGA bullshit all over it.
