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This isn’t about needing clarification though. Like you said, clarification is not necessary. This move is about being able to wave this amendment around in front of everyone, and publicly force Republicans to agree on its meaning, ahead of Trump ignoring it.

I don’t see this as being completely a bad move but I am not a legal expert. I also won’t call it a good move, but it will force the hand of the Republicans who wish to ignore this law into publicly stating as much. This would have been a lot more effective earlier though I think.

Maybe silicone would be a good material for this?

Yeah but to be fair I also saw three different news stories from different states about magats setting fire to ballot boxes this year. Imagine what else isn’t getting reported on.

Yeah Facebook isn’t anonymous at all and is full of more trolls, liars, bad faith actors, and corpos than anywhere else.

They’ll certainly try, but you know as well as I do how friendly the gov is going to be towards that.

I don’t know about the rest of them, but Ben Franklin sure envisioned some orgies. Attended a few of 'em too.

I have my doubts about this, we had problems with faithless electors in 2016 as well, that’s how we put Orange Julius in the white house the first time around without the popular vote. If the electors decided they wanted to vote Trump there’s not actually anything preventing them from doing that, there’s no law stating that they must vote in step with their electorate. The intended balance to that is supposed to be that you won’t get re-elected if the people learn about it, but conservatives don’t seem to be concerned with that anymore.

All that to say, if a large pro-Trump section of the electorate decided to just vote for him no matter who their constituents voted for, there’s no mechanism to prevent this and it would look an awful lot like the election we just had.

Turnip loves when other people come up with plans, because he can’t can just ignore it and do what he wants anyway

That’s like the one silver lining I’m seeing out of this whole situation, is that Trump can’t stick to a plan if his literal life and freedom depend on it. We saw that in action in the E. Jean Carroll defamation suit. It doesn’t matter how well the plans are laid by his mice and men, he’s not going to read them. And if we’re lucky that by itself will be enough to prevent a total enactment of P2025.

Technically speaking, nachos and salad are two different food groups. But by this same definition a steak is a salad and a salad is actually nachos, provided it has croutons.

You’ve been very reasonable about this in the face of my ranting and I appreciate it. I specifically don’t want to become “blue MAGA” and level heads like yours are what’s going to prevent a lot of us from going there. I’m still mad, and I still think this all needs attention and isn’t getting it, though. I don’t know what to do about that other than crow about it on the internet or show up to the white house. I don’t think either of those are good ideas.

That’s fair, and I’m sorry to have been an asshole about it. I deserve that. However, conspiracy thinking or no, I think it’s extremely valid to be suspicious of these results. There are quite a lot of factors at play here that can cast what I consider to be reasonable doubt over this whole situation.

Sure, don’t jump right to conspiracy theories off the bat, fair enough. But also don’t be blind to what is in front of us. Things don’t add up here in a way that makes sense to me. In particular, I question the fact that nearly 1 in 2 Latino voters voted to deport themselves and their families, and I find it difficult to believe that 15+ million other voters who showed up to vote for Joe Biden, didn’t show up to vote for Harris. It was all the same threat, magnified, with a much more palatable upside than the first time and a much more clear view of the alternative. These people should have been, and by all accounts were, even more motivated than in 2020. This is the most politicized election we’ve had in over a century, nobody didn’t hear about this.

The whole thing just stinks. It stinks all to hell and I think I’m justified in believing the conservatives pulled off a successful steal this time just like they’ve been promising to, not least of which is because by the time I woke up after election night everyone had already decided none of the Dems showed up and Trump had won, when according to gov websites the final vote tally and certification isn’t even until mid December. I’ve never seen election results get called so early that I can remember. I saw three different news stories about conservatives setting ballot boxes on fire. Our gerrymandering maps are so bad they can be confused for TV static from a distance. Millions of people had their voting registration purged by state level conservatives weeks or days before the election.

I think a little bit of suspicion surrounding the results is beyond justified.

Ah yes, it’s exactly the same with no differences, surely Trump isn’t known to be a cheat and a liar from every single other interaction he’s ever had with a human being. Surely he hasn’t stated publicly his intentions to cheat the election. No, he’s a perfect human being and we’re all just shouting about voter fraud because we’re stupid.

Don’t start none won’t be none

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…

Trump has openly stated that he plans to abolish voting

And the price of groceries will skyrocket 3x and everyone will say “I can’t believe Biden could do this to me”

Why would you expect people to care for a democracy that means nothing to them?

Because the other alternative is to take everything you hate about the way it all works and make it objectively worse, balanced even worse out of your own favor.

Look, I do understand that American democracy is fundamentally broken, and I empathize with that. I too wish for a viable third party candidate to break us out of this hellscape. But this wasn’t the time. So instead I voted for the party that’s been pushing RCV initiatives in some areas rather than handing a win to the party that promised they would abolish elections. On one hand we have a possible path forward and on the other hand we have guaranteed destruction, I don’t like it any more than the next person but I consider a vote against guaranteed destruction to have been one that wasn’t wasted. I hate that that is what American politics have come to at this point in time but I can observe the world around me and act accordingly.

You’re the only other person I’ve seen mention this at all. I said it earlier, you, me, everyone, everyone’s cousin, and also the FBI were very well aware that Trump & Co were definitely attempting to cheat the election, they’ve proven their intent to do so, and proper certification and electoral votes aren’t even until mid December. I don’t understand how this is possibly being uncontested right now. There are way less votes than everyone expected, it comes out in Trump’s favor with exactly the thin margin he needed to win, and everyone is just running with “Yep he’s won we know this 3 hours after election night there is no need to follow up further”

I, for one, don’t believe a bit of this for at least the next month and expect some major findings in the next few weeks. I also might just be on the copium, who knows.

Hey don’t I remember reading 189,237,490 conversations about this exact thing for the last 8 months? Where everyone was begging third party voters to bite the bullet, please, for the sake of the future of democracy in America and even a slight attempt at survival for Gaza and y’all all told us to go fuck ourselves because we all love genocide? Yeah remember those conversations?

Anything to add now? Are you happy? We told you this would happen. We begged you to please reconsider your stance for the good of everyone. But no, we’re just a bunch of dumb assholes who aren’t educated enough about the war in the middle east.

Learn to see the world around you, please.

Well they sure fucked that one