The election is in three weeks, and Pennsylvania is a must-win state for both Trump and Kamala Harris, but during a rally last night in Montgomery County, northwest of Philadelphia, Trump got bored with the event, billed as a “town hall,” and just played music for almost 40 minutes, scowling, smirking, and swaying onstage. Trump is no stranger to surreal moments, yet this was one of the oddest of his political career.

This kind of behavior would have resulted in discussion of dementia and Alzheimers if it was a Democrat.

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    I cannot help but wonder if we are in the Matrix, and David Lynch has been given the reins for the direction of what this time-line is…all donnie needs now is to dance with the backwards talking little man and to have the tall man materialize behind him…

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    This is a comment i made in a different thread:

    The actual event is, as usual, fascinatingly cringey.

    This is right after the second guy fainted, so trump’s already been interrupted twice, the venue’s tiny, and I think he doesn’t like dog killer Kristi Noem despite obvious commonalities. She was probably insufficiently subservient.

    He wants security to open the doors to let fresh air in, but they can’t because of USSS measures to protect his dumb ass. Watch how he loses his mind in rage, suppresses it, and rolls it into his patter in the span of one second.

    Then he says hey everybody lets all hear my favorite - Pavarotti singing Ave Maria! (Crowd cheers). The fuck? It gets weirder from there.

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    Republicans don’t want a leader. They want a vegetable. Every (normal) Republican runs on limited government, then gets into power and adds government: (Nixon and the EPA, Bush and Homeland security, etc…) Regan came to power and then didn’t do any of that, since he had alzheimers and didn’t know who he was half the time.

    That is the golden age they want to bring back.

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    This kind of behavior would have resulted in discussion of dementia and Alzheimers if it was a Democrat. literally any other person on the planet.

    Fixed it for you.

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    I just saw a photo from last nights town hall. The man looks like he wont make it to november 5th.

    Sincere question: Have any of the experts run numbers on what happens to the vance ticket if trump takes a worm nap before nov 5th?

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      Yes. You have to remember you aren’t electing Trump directly. You’re voting for his electors.

      If Trump dies before taking office, the party decides who will take his place.

      It’s most likely going to be Vance, but honestly it could be anyone.

      Assuming that there isn’t any fuckery (it’s Republicans after all), then Vance becomes President and then nominates a VP that goes through the Senate approval process.

      I can’t remember the last time this was discussed but it was a while ago.

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        I agree, but that wasnt my question. Well, i guess it was accidentally vague. I can see how you misunderstood my prompt.

        My question is in regards to what direction the voting public trend if that happens. Martyr boost propelling vance up, or fizzle bust?

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        Well thats why i ask. You can say lucky us, but at this point in the election, im not so sure.

        Between the vitriol and retoric and conspiracy theories weve already seen, the implication of violence and absolute craziness would, without question be enough for me to not hope for anything like that.

        But im asking about how the voting public would poll. Would vance get a martyr boost from their dear dead leader, or would an immediately apathetic undecided vote rise up, one that was origionally locked into the trump/vamce ticket. Would it just vanish overnight? I doubt it, but vance remains an amazingly unpopular vp pick. Without trump, where is his ceiling?

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          Yeah, that’s a good point; my brain is never prepared for the irrational conspiracies these idiots cook up. I would think that without trump, the whole momentum behind him would just die off, but who knows what would happen if Vance then just starts saying that the democrats poisoned his Big Mac and assassinated him. I’d like to think that only the die-hard crazies would still be motivated enough to vote for Vance and the rest would just stay home.

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    I think at this point the Trump ticket is the JD Vance for President ticket. If they win, even if he doesn’t drop from a bad stroke or cardiovascular disease, the team will 25th his ass.

    It’s essentially the Vance / Johnson ticket going forward.

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      the team will 25th his ass

      That’s what they should do in that situation, but in reality, there’s no chance. The bar is too high.

      From the 25th Amendment:

      Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

      Trump would have a cabinet full of true believers and yes-men. There’s no way that more than half would be on board to jettison him. The Congressional cure is also a non-starter. If Trump were to win, there would probably also be a Republican-controlled Congress, and we all know that Congressional Republicans have zero spine when it comes to standing up to daddy.

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        Idk. Vance doesn’t strike you as just waiting for that opp? Look at how he flip flops.

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        I completely, wholeheartedly believe that the GOP could fight kicking and screaming to get Trump elected and then immediately, unanimously 25 him before the inauguration is even complete. They have zero shame. This is not even slightly outside of their ballpark.

        It’s an obvious con, but that didn’t stop them from doing the exact same thing with their supreme court justices. That was also an obvious con that would not have been allowed in any functioning government.

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    just played music for almost 40 minutes, scowling, smirking, and swaying onstage.

    Context:
    Trump called for Ava Maria to be played after a medical emergency put it on pause for about five minutes an hour into the event. He then took another question. Just a few minutes later, there was another medical emergency. Apparently it was a bit hot in the event space. It went off the rails soon after that as he called for the doors to be opened and wanting to play more music to end the event.

    At one point he stops to ask if they want to do one more question. Although the crowd cheers and he says we’ll do one more, he called for YMCA to be played.

    Certainly an odd presidential town hall but definitely not the worst thing this guy has done and in no way did he “break down”. Honestly, between the lies and threats to other humans, this might be the most human I’ve ever seen him. It’s really sad to see how delusional these people are.

    Here’s the stream from PBS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-FhvhdVSZE

    My favorite part was when they played James Brown’s “This is a Man’s World”. Clearly, they haven’t listened to the song LOL

    Edit: Here’s another story from ABC News - Trump’s bizarre music session reignites questions about his mental acuity

    His choice to play music is debatable. Having watched the video, it didn’t seem odd to me that he made these choices. There was absolutely nothing in this town hall to indicate an issue with his mental acuity that has not already been known. He has always been an idiot. This is not news.

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      As much as I would love to believe that this is evidence of Trump in the throes of cognitive decline, I have to agree. Him standing there and doing nothing for 30 minutes is certainly low energy and cringe-worthy, but it isn’t indicative of any kind of mental breakdown and the media and pundits are latching onto this too hard. The dishonestly on display is a little saddening, to be honest. There’s plenty of things to hate Trump for without having to make up shit about his mental acuity.

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        Well, we’ve tried convicting him with felonies and playing actual tape of him describing rape, which he is guilty of, and no one seemed particularly swayed. So, facts and evidence seem to be out. If it takes a more abstract, personal approach to break the spell he holds half the voters in the country under, then so be it.

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      There was absolutely nothing in this town hall to indicate an issue with his mental acuity that has not already been known. He has always been an idiot. This is not news.

      Clooney put a hit out on Biden for much less.

      But the point is to report on this in the hopes that the American people will pay attention. I can only speculate why you want to keep a lid on it…

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        Pay attention to what?? The stuff we’ve all lived through for the last five years??

        This report is bullshit. It’s an illustration of the demise of the media and real journalism. It’s misinformation to solidify a narrative.

        I know. Most people don’t care about policy - most notability DT. I understand that clicks aren’t gained through real journalism. This is exactly how we ended up with this dickhole to begin with. Every media outlet flooded their blocks with every minute story they could drum up about Trump. This left little time to cover any other alternative candidate. Everyone is obsessed with loving or hating this guy. WTF are we doing? No one is changing their mind about him at this point. How, I don’t know. How the fuck any living human could possibly consider this shitstain for anything more than a janitor is beyond me.

        The point is that these stories are misleading. It doesn’t matter what you think about the person or the outlet doing the reporting. We should be more critical of the truth and the mistruths we’re being fed. Had anyone successfully made this argument in 2015, perhaps we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

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          We ended up with this monster because news outlets were actively protecting him because he was good for ratings.

          The sanewashing is finally coming to an end and people who don’t follow politics will hear about this.

          But that is apparently bad in your eyes. Well, we can probably guess who’s eyes but…

          As for nobody changing their minds? Multiple republicans openly support Kamala. The fucking KKK put in for… jill Stein. Minds are changing. So stop actively fighting against sanity.

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          Clooney was an excellent Bruce though.

          But yeah. Kilmer and Conroy are the only actors who have managed to do justice to both. Greenwood and Oswald have given amazing performances but really can only do one half.

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            I’m such a slut for Batman Forever… cheesy fun amazing movie where my beautiful Val and Jim KILLED IT

            also my brain randomly just thinks “BLAAAST HIIIM” and “WHYYY WON’T YOU DIIIIIIE?!”

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        I think we’re at a boy who cries wolf point. News pieces like this are almost a daily occurrence. Those who don’t care won’t simply because it happens again. If anything it will further galvanize their resistance.

        There’s a sense that these things must be reported and recorded for reasons of history, but for whatever effect one would like to happen as a result it is probably useless.

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          They are a daily occurrence because there is finally corporate pushback against the sanewashing that has occurred for years.

          But hey. Nobody should talk about how mentally unstable a candidate is, right? I really hope you are getting paid for this.

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            I’ve been hearing it for over 8 years now, to varrying degrees of intensity across the media spectrum. I’d assume anyone else paying even the least amount of attention has, too.

            Yet here we are at a 48% split with 3 weeks to go.

            So yeah, keep reporting. Maybe that fraction of a percent will make the difference; it’s close enough that it could! But don’t hold your breath, and don’t keep beating on the same horse as if doing so will make a difference.

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              I am smart and anyone who is smart won’t be affected by anti trump reporting so nobody should even try and we should sane wash comrade putins best asset again

              You should be ashamed of yourself

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                Brilliant being combative with strangers in the same echo chamber as you. Glad we spent this time together.

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      Thank you for the context. I do agree this shines a different light on the proceedings … However:

      this might be the most human I’ve ever seen him.

      Might be an indication of the claims above?

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        If you’re implying that he’s breaking down and becoming human, I wouldn’t go that far.

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    I’m strongly opposed to Trump but these headlines seem like a real stretch. It seems a couple of medical emergencies in the crowd interrupted things and music was played while Trump waited on stage, then at the end he stuck around while more music was played. He looked awkward, grooving along, but this isn’t what “Trump Breaks Down Onstage” suggests.

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      Disagree, I watched it live and it was bizzare. Yes, they had a couple medical situations that the experts handled, but Trump was fumbling pre planned questions read off queue cards and answers from a teleprompter, he was an hour late starting, he kept leaning funny in his chair, he screwed up the election date, and other basic info, then when he said they would take more questions he immediately said to just play music, and he stood there swaying for 39 minutes, sometimes looking like he might wander off, and his facial expressions looked like he was on drugs, like he was trying them on in a mirror or making them to see how they felt.

      It honestly looked like they just rolled him out of the care home on a day pass. Like they might be walking him back to his ward after enjoying a good listen to his favorite old tunes.

      I’ve long said that he is just as cognitively sound or unsound this year as before, but I’ve changed my view after last night. Trump is in serious decline.

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        Is it possible to cover up “serious decline” with a serious dose of uppers? I’ve assumed he is on a steady diet of pills ever since he accused Biden of only being able to stay awake if they put him on meds.

        Maybe this is how he is when his meds wear off.

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        Everything you’ve mentioned could have been said about him over the past six years. There is nothing strange about him in this video. If anything, I found him to be quite relaxed and enjoying himself among his MAGAteers.

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      There are layers of weirdness on it. Watch it. It is weird inside crazy wrapped up in bizarre.

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      Did you read the article? They’re suggesting he has dementia/significantly decreased mental faculties. There were 2 medical emergencies, yes, but those were done and over with and he still chose to declare he wouldn’t be taking questions after all and made his staff put on his favorite playlist for the rest of the “townhall.” To me, that’s the sign of someone who has broken down and just straight up isn’t fit to lead anyone, let alone a country (his horrible policies aside).

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        Did you watch the video?
        No one should believe everything they read.

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          I did watch the video. A sane person says “Sorry folks, that’s all for today, here’s where we’ll be next time.” You don’t stand on stage for nearly 30 minutes at a public event where you’re supposed to be answering questions just swaying back and forth like it’s prom night at the senior center.

          It’s just an incredibly bizarre occurrence in a long line of other incidents that have people concerned about his mental faculties.