we already know they hate each other this happened last term for elon/trump too.

certainly didn’t connect with me and my social circle and we’re all college educated working class. maybe you’re confusing people who voted for her as people who thought she was worth voting for?

Harris: ‘i will go after price gouging by firing the person actively going after companies price gouging…’ and you believed her? 🫨🫠😮‍💨

The small business loan was a joke if you look at the details. First off most people dont want to start a business its a lot of hard fucking work with a lot of risk. It also had a bunch of means tests involved. Which would make it a disaster to implement and a disaster to get.

That home loan was fucking worthless to boot. You know what would save Americans money? Directly building homes and selling them at cost.

Wrong plans, they’re referring to the joke ‘50k small business loan with a bajillion strings attached’, ‘a maybe tax hike for the wealthy, but no transfer to middle/lower income’, ‘here are two tax credits half of which only impact parents and together dont break even on inflation’, ‘absolute refusal to commit to keeping khan’, in short dems to working Americans: fuck you, and here’s some genocide on top. Vote for us because we think we’re the only option.

nationalizing industries will kill innovation and improvements and isnt necessary. you just need to structure the system to promote worker cooperatives instead of corporations. you get the best of both worlds.

Alright oracle. I dont prognosticate (much).

No but see I withheld my vote for genocidal candidates.

FTFY. get your facts straight. Kamala’s internal polling knew this. she choose this put your ire in the proper location: on harris and the dnc for blowing a fucking election against this twit to shill harder for corporations.

she had two jobs to win: convince people she took the economic hardships of american workers serious (she didn’t) and commit to following americas laws (she didn’t while simultaneously running as a law and order candidate).

Instead she treated arabs like absolute garbage and had pro business economic policies. oooo 25k for first time home owners. bitch people can’t afford food and rent and mortgage rates are at a two decade high. you think 25k is going to do shit?

she was such an arrogant asshole to arabs and the working class we fucking warned everyone for months. but instead of listening idiots spouted ‘lesser evil’ nonsense. All I know is im grabbing popcorn for the next four years and focusing my efforts entirely locally from now on. fuck the DNC and national democrats.

volunteer to do poll work next election.

you should always worry about it operationally. even in europe.

please seem previous messages. trump will allow israel to continue the genocide, just as harris was going to as demonstrated by her actions during the campaign

Again, an old tired argument. Now take everything you said and apply it to harris as it applies to you and her just as equally as it applies to me. I told you to re-read my posts until you understood what I was telling you., you’ve clearly failed. as you continue to think your position is the default one. its not.

And no I didn’t stop paying attention to the campaign, she just never committed to stopping the arm shipments. full stop. I literally checked her campaign every fucking day for two months waiting for her to shift. the closest she got was on the final day and even that was far too little to convince anyone she was willing to do what needed to be done for the arabs to vote for her. and by then many people had already cast their votes.

sigh okay I’m done. please continue re-reading the last post until you understand what I’m telling you, i edited in a few extra details. You keep thinking I dont understand the implications. but its clear you don’t understand human behavior enough and think you can keep nattering at people with your theory they’ll eventually be swayed.

I in no way was fighting you or harris. I was helping arabs. you have yet to give a single fucking reason harris couldn’t have shifted positions that a community of people would fucking accept their family members being murdered and that cost harris 25 points in the electoral college at a fucking minimum.

Instead you’ve been nattering on about all the other problems that will crop up because trump won. well guess what, their family and friends matter more to them than ukrainians, lgbt, etc. You need a reason that can convince people to accept the murder of their family and friends. and good fucking luck.

So kindly take your own advice and stop cutting off your nose to spite your face over support for a fucking genocide. Because there is no argument you can make, that I havent already heard, or thought of in the last year that will counter what I’ve been telling you and you’re just going to have to accept that.

like i said you’re not bringing anything new to this conversion. I’m well aware about whats currently and going to continue happening in the middle east, and elsewhere. stop assuming people don’t know whats to come just makes you look foolish. we did this entirely eyes open. not our fault harris and people like yourself thought it was a bluff. it mostly just demonstrates the supreme lack of empathy harris (and those like her) have.

The gall telling people to begging for their friends and family to not be murdered to ‘stfu, and vote for the lesser evil’ when the lesser evil is literally the one murdering them.

If you want to know a secret, I would have voted for harris if she was at risk in my state, but 1) she wasnt, 2) the arabs community wouldn’t, 3) they needed all the support they could get.

I was happy to help them attempt to push harris and the DNC, as you should have been. if more people took my stance and tanked harris’ campaign even harder earlier maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess. sometimes a little empathy is all you need.

You’re assertion about FPTP, again you’re assuming I don’t already understand FPTP. I apparently understand it better than you do. Since I know when I can break with the theory based on contextual conditions in my state. I also know I can lie to my candidates/pollsters/you about my positions leading up to the election in order to get more than I really need to commit my vote.

I also understand FPTP theory doesn’t account for human behavior and that murdering peoples friends and family will naturally be such a stressor they won’t give a shit about its theory. I know I fucking wouldnt. so next time be more empathetic towards people being murdered and maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.

The disclaimer from people screaming lesser evil. ;)

laugh i never thought biden (or the dnc) was anyone but who he was. I was entirely unsurprised by his administration and this election cycle.

I dont particularly care if they move further right. Thats their decision. Just means they’re even less likely to get votes from people like myself. Its not really a threat. (Though thats unlikely in my state, nationally shrug)

I suspect by 2028 my state will be close or have rcv and third party work can begin. Shrug

No we’re watching the same candidate. You’re just willing to paper over a genocide for the other bits. And thats a you decision.

I, and many others were not okay with it. And that was our decision. Its not our responsibility to support a candidate just because the other candidate is a shit stain.

your candidate was the ones taking the risk. You dont get to demand peoples votes for a candidate or lay blame on others because of anothers candidates behavior.

You need votes to win which means convincing people to vote for your candidate. Harris definitely knew what the deal was and she made the decision to risk it. Trump also understood this, clearly better than Harris his campaign started courting that group immediately after she left them.

This conversation is done. you’re not bringing anything new to the discussion. Accept the loss that harris received because she was unwilling to move on a genocide.

Learn from this from the next election: a candidate does not get to demand votes from people because the other candidate is trash, demand your candidate move to accept positions that dont conflict w/ yours. As an example i was more than willing to accept the border policy and firearms policy shifts. I was not okay with cheney, but i would have ignored it for a win. I was not okay with arming israel while a genocide was occurring, i was not okay with how she treated the arab Americans begging for help by her campaign.

Oh it definitely is, for many a genocide is a genocide. You dont get to play the moral shades continuum once you reach that level of atrocity. So here we are.

You also need to realize that many states will be insulated from the worst of trump via our local government. So in reality life will go on for us, foreign policy will go to shit but shrug. Not much we can do there.