You can reconstruct the Democrat party all you want. It won’t make stupid Americans smart. They’ll still fall for whoever is best at peddling misinformation, fear, and hate.
The internet and media in general has been weaponized. So unless we’re talking about the Democrat party learning how to go low and spread extreme misinformation and paranoia in order to win an election, then we’re just wasting our time talking.
Dems didn’t “lose” the working class. Misinformation overshadowed the message.
There’s a lot the Dems can do for unions and working-class normal folks. But Kamala could have cured cancer with a touch and they wouldn’t have believed it because everything else they consume downplays the improving economy, security and stability under Biden so it was ultimately useless.
Buckets of roubles on Facebook and X won this election.
Yup.
Everyone’s crying about the Democrat party, but they’re ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than the Republican party. Seriously, people need to stop whining and compare both party’s voting history and accomplishments. It’s not even a contest. Democrats get more done.
The bottom line is the majority of Americans aren’t intelligent enough to navigate this new age of weaponized misinformation. That isn’t Democrat’s fault. All they can really do is try to weaponize misinformation to combat Republican’s misinformation. And that’s morally wrong. Probably the only way though.
Stupid populace. Dark future.
The DNC has completely abandoned the working class. It’s not misinformation. They simply do not care about us.
The DNC has completely abandoned the working class.
Maybe you should try looking up Democrat’s voting history and their accomplishments for the working class before you make statements like this.
Democrats are pro union. Biden was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers.
And stupid Americans just decided to vote in the born rich billionaire that has openly stated he is anti-union and anti-worker rights. Democrats aren’t the problem. Stupid Americans are.
the party is hopelesslty corrupted and wont even acknowledge why they lost. Its time to dump the dems and build up a progressive party.
That would be after FPTP voting is replaced with RCV or STAR in all 50 states. Trying a third party before those steps will hand the federal government to the GOP for the remainder of my life.
That would be after FPTP voting is replaced with RCV or STAR in all 50 states.
If we ever get that, there will be a new “that would be after” to replace it. If Democrats want to stop Republicans and are so worried about splitting the vote, maybe Democrats should abstain from running.
They’re clearly not up to the task and would rather appease fascists here and abroad.
Absolutely this.
How many times are we gonna be Charlie Brown trying to kick the football before Lucy pulls the ball away?
This party isn’t here for us. They do not represent our best interests. They simply care about the ruling class/ultra wealthy.
They have purposely not followed through on their campaign promises so many times. Time to dump them.
DNC isn’t getting my vote anymore. Time for a new party.
That’s all well and good, if you want to lose elections for the foreseeable future.
Because it takes a long, long time to build up a new party and have it actually win federal elections.
By then we won’t have elections anymore.
I love how splitting the vote cost them a few seats, and your plan is to split the vote.
That’s not necessarily the way to “build a progressive party”.
On the right-wing side think of how MAGA has overshadowed “Republican”, eating it from the inside.
Hating people is easy. Caring about them is (apparently) hard. Quicker, easier, more seductive is MAGA compared to being progressive.
Totally, but MAGA took decades to sprout from a Tea Party seed, or further back even.
How would that even work? They are doing exactly what their
ownersdonors want.Are they saying that rich people should want unions or that there needs to be other ways to fund politics?
Start by investigating musks money for votes scheme
We’ve had several elections in recent memory where it’s been really clear that progressive Democrats win elections compared to centrists (mostly midterm elections but still). Somehow that lesson hasn’t stuck, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Harris’ defeat also doesn’t teach this lesson. At this point the old guard really just needs to die.
People want change, GOP is offering it and people are eating it up. They just have no idea how incredibly stupid that version of change is.
Reconstruct?
Raize it with impunity and forge something actually good
The Party for Socialism and Liberation is attempting to do just that.
Those are powerful words historically misused in America. Isn’t that a risky name to go with?
Not at all. By wiping away the piles of slander and lies proudly, Socialists can better connect with historical socialists and communists.
I applied a while back to no response. Although the nearest chapter is 2 hours away to be fair. They do great work though from what I hear.
If it was during COVID, I have been informed by current members that they had a bunch of issues and have since rectified the application process. If you are still interested, I have been told the best thing is to re-apply, if you don’t get a response this time then it’s safe to drop it.
I’m all for it. The Democrats have been a joke since they fucked Bernie. They’re terrible and don’t give a shit about their voters.
Oh, they were a joke long before that. In 2006, when we went from having a congress that rubber stamped everything Bush wanted to a congress that said they were displeased with Bush as they rubber stamped everything he wanted.
I don’t know much about the US politics before 2010, that’s when I migrated to the US.
Basically anything was approved as long as it was framed as national security.
The terrorists won with 9/11
Oh yeah, I’ve heard about that from some YouTube folks. Isn’t that when the patriot act was started when the government started reading people’s texts and listening to their phone calls ever since?
Yup, it was the catalyst that led us to where we’re at. It let the government seize unconstitutional levels of power.
To be clear to the naysayers: It’s not that we’re angry Bernie got fucked, it is what it is. We’ve just seen the writing on the wall SINCE he got screwed over.
Also we’re a little angry.
Or, now hear me out, Socialism.
Absolutely. Just don’t use that word. The propaganda is so goddamn ingrained in the American psyche we might as well just call it something else and try to bypass that fight.
The freedom to eat, the freedom to earn a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s honest work, the freedom to afford a house, the freedom from wall street usury, the freedom patriotically build secure and supportive communities, freedom healthcare, protecting the landscape of the greatest country on earth for all of America’s generations to come, etc.
Loads of ways to spin free market socialism, take your pick.
It’s just a branding problem that needs a more modern name for today’s modern voter
Democracy+
Democracy McDemocracyFace
Buddy Democracy
Msilaicos
Ocialismsay
Hand companies over to their workers, call it supercapitalism, and Americans will eat that shit up
“Blue collar capitalism”
“true capitalism” or some shit
Disparage actual capitalism for not being capitalist enough, and do an Indiana Jones hot swap for the actual end goal of worker ownership.
Seriously, don’t use that word haha. We don’t need another “Red Scare”
The Red Scare never ended, it’s important to directly combat anti-socialist sentiment because you are going to be labeled a Communist even if you call yourself a mild progressive.
Or rebrand socialism and push it in a more efficient way.
Rebrand it as patriotism.
Haha, yes. Make it full on ‘Merica Dream! But then it’s just plain ole socialism.
Why rebrand what already exists? What way would be more “efficient?”
I don’t agree on your tanky communism, ML. Go away
What’s wrong with Marxism?
Good. A party that is not beholden to its constituents has no business running for office.
I think its time to deconstruct it tbh. Name’s tainted and “neither” has been the most popular candidate for the past 3 election cycles now. People are itching for a new party to support that doesn’t make them feel like their vote is worthless
This would imply years of (effectively) being out of power. Even if by some miracle you would win the presidential election, you would have no local infrastructure to build on. It would give the GOP effective power in many states for an another decade.
On the other hand, look at how easy it was for Trump to completely hijack the GOP. That’s the model you should aim for.
On the other hand, look at how easy it was for Trump to completely hijack the GOP. That’s the model you should aim for.
That’s what I’ve been saying for a while now.
Seriously why are we continuing with the same party that supported slavery and has been on doing the bare minimum to help people for the last 50 years.
It’s pretty stupid to base your support of a party on what it used to be, not what it is now.
Using your logic, you support the GOP because they elected Lincoln and ended slavery, right? It’s not like there’s been 160 years of history that might have changed it since, including things like the Southern Strategy and the “Moral Majority”, right?
I know people who say they support the Republicans because of that un-sarcastically. Soo logic isn’t the strong suit of a majority of voters I think.
Slavery, segregation, the Dixiecrats, the Democratic Party wasn’t even the “good” one for most of the time it’s been around (and arguably wasn’t even even definitely “the” good one until like 40 years ago.
Are these the same union leaders who backed Trump, because while they’re right about the need for reconstruction, I’d like to exclude any fascists from the effort.
Just assume they are because they want Democrats to change in favor of workers.
I’m always skeptical of any Trump voter who is “pro-worker”. I assume they exclusively support workers who are straight, white, cisgender, and xtian…
Does the article call them trumpers, or do you just assume that about anyone who wants the party to change?
The leader of the Teamsters Union spoke at the modern day Nüremberg rally known as the RNC.
While a lot of tribalist Democrats tend to equate any criticism of Dem leadership with trumpism, that might not be what’s happening this time 🤷
The leader of the Teamsters Union spoke at the modern day Nüremberg rally known as the RNC.
He is not the subject of the article.
Todd evidently didn’t know whether or not he was, is what I’m saying
Sure looks like he assumed it was.
Or reconstruct the whole damn government. Entire thing is fucked
I wouldn’t mind it honestly.
While I wish them luck, the DNC is structured in a manner that retains power for those with the best ability to secure donations, and these donations come overwhelmingly from wealthy Capitalists. Moving the DNC to a more progressive platform has been the project of Bernie and the Squad for decades, and it seems to have little impact on the broader party line. The DNC isn’t really organized in a democratic manner, it operates more like a business.
Workers should instead focus on rapidly expanding their own organizations, which does make a meaningful impact on policy adopted. If you have something to bring to the bargaining table, the DNC is more likely to play ball, but you have to make them do it.
