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That’s a real shame, and a huge loss.
Friendly reminder that the only way lemmy can be successful is if we create a culture that is enjoyable to be a part of. It sounds like his time here was not so positive, and that’s deeply saddening.
I wish him the best with his future endeavors
Much more important than the enjoyable culture is the material aspect - how much work each developer has to do. Nice vibes help delay burnout but rarely eliminate it. Or they let it happen with a smile on the face.
Pay the developers instead, so they can reduce hours worked elsewhere, if you can. Or contribute code, if you can. This isn’t aimed at you personally, but anyone reading. I can’t contribute code but I can pay so I do that.
That’s incredibly important to! I think people would be hesitant to work for even decent donations if people are assholes, but you’re 100% right. I guess it really comes down to appreciating the people around you
You should appreciate the humans that create this social space by being here and being social, and appreciate the people who create this social space by building the space itself
Thank you for making that point, people being paid makes a huge difference.
There are terrible people everywhere and in particular everywhere online.
This is why I would never be bothered moderating and I am reluctant to release anything to the public of what I do for my own enjoyment. Cheers to moderators and people that post their art and comics and other stuff online.
Considering this is a Svelte project, it probably wouldn’t be too hard for me to fork (I’m a Svelte and SvelteKit dev). I’d definitely rewrite the UI, cause the current UI is… unpolished.
How much support could I expect to fork this project? Is there anyone that would be willing to help?
Better contribute to Photon, which Tesseract was forked from originally.
Tesseract is very much different from Proton by now however
I’m working on a new fediverse software but I’m mostly a backend dev. But I have been learning Svelte/Kit to try and write a frontend. Just putting it out there in case you feel inspired to work on something entirely new :)
I wrote Svelte Material UI, so I could definitely help you with UI stuff. Do you have a public repo?
I feel the state of the project is still too early to be public (especially the frontend, there’s really almost nothing there yet), but I can invite you to the repo if you have a user on Codeberg? I’d love to talk if you have a Matrix user.
Any particular reason to keep it private?
I’d rather ensure that I have something a bit more concrete to show before I “announce” it. First impressions matter a lot. And also, there’s just not a whole lot to show right now and it is not in any kind of usable state so unless someone is truly interested in working with me on this project (with a somewhat similar idea of a vision of where it’s gonna go and all that…), there’s really no use in sharing it.
unless someone is truly interested in working with me on this project (…) there’s really no use in sharing it.
Yeah, but doesn’t it go both ways? How can people find out if their vision is aligned with yours unless you show what you have?
I mean, I share the feeling of not wanting to make any big announcement when it’s not usable, but at least putting out a link to the repo and some roadmap would help others to see if they would be interested in helping you.
It does - but I’m honestly also still refining that vision as I work on it and I want to have a coherent story and something to show before I show anything to the world. Just what I’m most comfortable with :)
I don’t yet, but I can make a user. Let me do that tomorrow, and I’ll reply here again with it.
Great!
The average Lemming has the nuance of a wrecking ball
He’s not wrong lol. I can imagine how much worse it is as an admin. It’s unfortunate that Tesseract is going down with the ship. I remember I was among the first to provide feedback when he first posted it on lemmy.
Also described himself there
This project has been discontinued and the repo archived. I am done with Lemmy, the Fediverse as a whole, and have no desire to continue developing for the platform or (especially) the demographic thereof.
Wow, what the heck happened? Do we know the dev’s lemmy username for any clues?
It’s a combination of a burn out and a close friend (also moderator of the 30rock community on Dubvee) ending up in a coma, it seems.
Where are you seeing mention that the coma contributed to the choice to discontinue? I see in the !30rock@dubvee.org post that the community will be shut down despite the fact that the only mod is not able to even protest that decision or anything, but no other mention.
Yes, I posted his message in my post’s body. https://dubvee.org/post/3788765
Thanks for that context.
The specific “burned out” is a common killer among folks that try this: community management
“Well, two years in, and I cannot say this place is any better, just differently bad if not worse. Too many people here seem to think that because it’s not “corpo social media” that anything goes, and boy do some people really run with that.”
I can’t say I blame them. People can be horrible. Managing a community also means managing the worst of people. I had a former employer that did community management of a dating site. The level of mental trauma the front line workers endured was more than I could imagine. This is also why I completely understand instance admins that follow an aggressive blocking/banning approach. Beehaw put up tall walls and defederated aplenty. Blahaj.zone actively bans based upon user activity that is even on other unrelated instances. I can’t fault either of these approaches because the alternative is dealing with the worst users en masse.
I hope that instance owner/manager gets some of that much deserved rest.
Apparently, reading the details on there - he might not shut it down.
Sounds like someone wasn’t prepared for the reality of human interaction on the internet.
I mean its completely fair to say that they don’t want to deal with it, but also what did they expect?I totally have to disagree. Instance owners are attacked here on Lemmy for trying to keep their instance in line with the local laws where they live. You know, which they totally have to keep free of legal trouble that might cost them a lot of time, money or even put them into jail. It’s not great when admins have to deal with utter idiots in their free time. Remember the whole Nicole fiasco where some poor girl was harassed via a spam attack? Remember that spam attack with the scat porn? All this hate going around with the war in the middle east? I can totally understand why someone burns out dealing with this crap in their free time. Come home from work after a hard day. Another scat spam attack you have to deal with. Another Hamas sympathizer calling you genocide lover because you deleted his propaganda. Someone else attacking you because you removed content that is illegal where you live and you hope that no authority saw it before you deleted it. Go to bed. Go to work. Repeat.
A bit offtopic, but why would anyone want to keep their instance in line with local laws? Aren’t internet sites operating under jurisdiction of where they are hosted? Or is it just some coincidence that those people decided to host their stuff at datacenters at their local proximity? When I’m choosing hosting the first thing I think about: “hmmm I shouldn’t host in country where I live because I don’t want to ever have any problem with local authorities, and if I host elsewhere authorities there won’t be able to reach me physically so the worst thing that could happen is the site gets shut down”.
There are multiple reasons: If you want to fund your instance by donations, you need to be able to act under your real name. You might get away with a totally anonymous instance which you are funding via cryptodonations and which you are hosting at a provider who really does not care about KYC, but that is also illegal in many jurisdictions. There is totally a case for a lemmy instance admin to be known publically, to be able to interact with the community in person, to be able to go to meetups or to be able to give talks at conventions.
And if you are not living in some country with totally crazy politics, most local laws are totally fine. Do not post hardcore pornography. Do not spread hatred or calls for murder and hate speach. Keep the piracy a little bit less obvious. Don’t allow hardcore pornography and have a solid process to keep child porn from your platform. That might be different if you’re living in Iran, Saudi-Arabia or Afghanistan, but in a western country it is totally ok to be in line with local laws.
Since you’re on the same instance as me, I assume you are a mod/admin there. Let me use this opportunity to say thank you to you and all the other mods on feddit.org for helping to keep that place one of the most pleasant online spaces I’ve come across in my years on the internet. As far as I can tell from the outside you and the others are doing a great job.
I’m not a mod there, but thank you :)
Oh, I totally read that as you talking from experience :)
Or do you mod somewhere else?
Post your thank you message to
I am sure feddit.org admins/mod and other relevant people will love this.
We arent really in disagreement tho. I am absolutely empathetic with their situation and their burnout. Im just saying they should have seen it coming. Those two things arent contradictory. I just find it odd how one can invest so much time into a public project, without being aware of the realities of having to moderate it. Im thankful for the people that host instances, but i will never do it, because i know how much of a pain it is.
Not sure if “they should have seen it coming” really is the way to think about this. Yes, moderation is hard. Yes, it makes sense to build a team doing moderation. But let’s be honest, Lemmy is insaner than other forums due to its federated structure.
If you don’t want to be called a genocide lover, then don’t defend a genocide and then double down on it.
Easy.
but also what did they expect?
Can I ask you what the worst examples of community management looks like? As in, what do you believe would be the worst part of the job?
When you moderate a platform that the public is free to upload anything to, you will see everything. From insults to threats to gore to CSAM. Thats how the internet is. That is the worst part in my opinion, because you cant just look away, but actually have to deal with it.
I managed a forum for a decade, and seen everything except CSAM. You just delete it.
It was on a .tk domain and it got suspended for content violations anyway
I agree with you. However, I don’t think most people understand that. For most folks they haven’t been exposed to the most mentally darkest souls among us.
This really is a complicated problem, but if the fediverse wants to grow without relying on slave labor for moderation like Meta and the rest, then we have to find ways to lighten the load on moderators. Thats why creating transparent pre moderation tools like the image scanners used by many fediverse instances is so important.
Thats why creating transparent pre moderation tools like the image scanners used by many fediverse instances is so important.
Are there any moderation tool projects going on right now one could throw a few bucks at to support it?
No idea, but it’s not an active instance so idk what happened.
He’s sick of the morons on Lemmy.
The average Lemming has the nuance of a wrecking ball and the maturity of a junior high edge lord
another lemming that doesn’t want to perticipate in the far-left hate machine that lemmy has descended into
it’s the same reason that user numbers on lemmy are slowly but surely declining
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Read his rant. It just sounds like he’s mad at us for being mean towards the poor wittle billionaires/nazis.
Considering how few references there were in the post, and your projection onto it. I think you may be part of the group he’s talking about that is causing him to close up shop. Its just my speculation though. If I’m right, how does that make you feel? Are you happy he’s closing up the instance and leaving the Fediverse or are you sad that a heavy contributor to the Fediverse is leaving?
Considering how few references there were in the post
Why use many words when few words do trick?
I have no criticism of the original post. My statement was aimed at Sal’s hyperbolic interpretation and self-projection of those few words.
He’s explicitly talking about detracting people who are “violent” and call him a “bootlicker” for “deescalating”. It seems like it’s moderator speak for “people are saying politicians/billionaires should die and that personally offends me”. It’s enlightened centrism. People came to Lemmy explicitily because Reddit bans you for disliking billionaires now.
Like, the entire concept of the Fediverse is anarchist. It’s a collection of decentralized servers who can connect to each other but have their own rules. Someone going to develop for the LITERAL ANARCHIST SOCIAL MEDIA STRUCTURE and then getting surprised that everyone on it is anti-capitalist and anti-billionaire is the epitome of arrogance and lack of self-awareness.
People came to Lemmy explicitily because Reddit bans you for disliking billionaires now.
It’s not that I like them or anything, but it’s very irrelevant to my motivations to use fediverse.
Being an anarchist isn’t an excuse to be a dick y’know.
Unless you are a libertarian
in which case you’re not an anarchist, you believe in the power of capital
That’s, uh, not my experience.
Not a valid excuse, at least
Again, I ask: Why are you surprised that literal anti-capitalists hate billionaires?
Again, I ask: Why are you surprised that literal anti-capitalists hate billionaires?
You’re making authoritative claims to what the Fediverse is, who the people posting here are, and what their collectives beliefs and goals are. The Fediverse certainly isn’t a monolith that you can do that to. Hate isn’t an identity, nor is it the goal of the Fediverse. I think this part of the original closure notice may apply to your line of responses here.
“The worst part is that they’re so caught up in their own self-righteousness that they can’t see they’re just as bad or worse than what they’re spewing violent rhetoric at; trying to talk sense into anyone or de-escalate things is immediately met with “bootlicker”, wild accusations, and/or worse.”
I’m obviously not talking about being a dick to billionaires, I’m talking about harassing a burnt out instance owner
Even if I would agree with your principles, this kind of comment is what is tiring for moderators to deal with at scale.
I mean, if you wanted to be in the literal anarchist social media network structure and not see people hating billionaires/politicians/nazis, why did you come here in the first place?
The entire concept of the Fediverse is anarchist. Of course anti-capitalists at large would be on it, because the capitalists are all over every other social media network. And besides, Tumblr constantly tells billionaires/politicians to die despite being corporate-run social media and literally nothing comes out of it.
You have your reasons. That doesn’t mean that all other users here have the same reasons like you. Other users may have different reasons.
Sure, but to me it’s like someone wandering into a pride parade and getting offended at the fact there’s leather daddies there.
And yet, it was created by communists, and populated with all sorts of people, socialists, anarchists, liberals, communists, libertarians, punks (particularly of the solar variety), ai/crypto bros and more
There are very clearly lots of people here who don’t already share your views, and who are here for different reasons, and the antagonistic, wildly presumptive way you’re voicing your perspective just guarantees that exactly zero people come to see your perspective better.
As someone who at least largely identifies with anarchism, please stop being a dick, you’re doing a disservice to the humans you share this space with, and the causes you care about simultaneously. This platform is not exclusively yours just because you identify with its structure for political reasons.
Dude, this is exactly what you are doing. You have wandered into the fediverse that welcomes everybody and you are upset that not everybody agrees with you on everything and that justifies you being a dick. You are exactly the thing you are hating on in your head canon self righteous hero narrative.
Take this moment to reflect on your first instinctual mental response. Is it “but that’s because I’m right”? Think about this and what it implies.
You can be a rebel and still be a nice person.
Thought this was about this tesseract
Me too. If It had been, I would have needed another way of ALT’ing screenshots from other social networks.
Same here
Same
Godspeed to @ptz@dubvee.org, hopefully we’ll meet again virtually some day 🫡
rip to the best client 🥹 and thank you for everything you’ve done PTZ.
Universal link so that you remain on your own instance: https://threadiverse.link/dubvee.org/post/3788765
OP’s link works in Raccoon, the threadiverse one doesn’t.
Same with Mlem.
Same for Eternity. I think it’s for use with a normal browser.
Probably from so many people asking stupid questions.
Admiral Patrick: “That’s a stupid merge request.”
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rip
That was supposedly the best front-end we had, right? Sad to hear–I hope I can become good enough to help revive projects like this.
On a sidenote, what other frontends are to be used in the meantime? I’m hoping one of the few is still being maintained somewhatNot to advertise, but you could try Photon. It’s what Tesseract was forked from wayyy back as me and the tesseract dev’s philosophies split.
It’s more opinionated, and features are carefully organized compared to Tesseract where plenty of shortcuts and links are given (which isn’t bad at all, just targets different preferences).
Photon is solid and nice
best? i dunno about that. it was an option, tho.
i prefer Photon, or just the default.
If you’re on desktop, Alexandrite is great. The 2-column view really maximizes screen real estate.
Is the dev of Alexandrite even active anymore? The last commit was 5 months ago.
i hope so, alexandrite is what I’ve used for awhile now and I quite love it.
Yeah. I really love the UI. I just wish it had more features.
It sounds like he was severely trolled. Those aren’t real people, they’re either bots or paid accounts to make people leave. There are ways to counter act it, it’s too bad he’s given up. I wish him the best.
Not necessarily. Some men really do just want to watch the world burn.
Oh for sure, I guess I should have said for the most part.
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Does it though?
