That may be true but in practice adding friction to a given interaction makes it happen less, and that makes a big difference at scale. You don’t need to prevent anyone from doing it, you need to change the dynamics that result in it happening in a group large enough to cause a problem

If you put them up for sale somewhere I’d love to know about it!

Hope you have a lovely day ☺️

Is that a sticker we can get? That looks dope

If you want to potentially sidestep some of people’s frustrations you might consider just using the credibility rating and focusing on whether a group provides factual reporting, rather than left or right of center

You can also create a user experience that more carefully manages expectations of the feature by having it be opt in, but presenting the option to users when it becomes available. That gives you the opportunity to give a short blurb acknowledging its imperfections and also highlighting its potential value

As someone fairly to the left wing myself, the fact that lemmy is so left wing is both a blessing and a curse. I don’t see Nazis around, but being in an echo chamber isn’t great for your ability to engage with perspectives other than your own, and makes you succeptible to narratives that reinforce your existing views regardless of whether they’re accurate

I’d love this feature, in spite of its flaws, but it does definitely have them. Its based on the US overton window, which will frustrate folks from other parts of the world who may already feel lemmy sometimes forgets the world beyond the US exists. And the US overton window is changing as a product of the trump administration which may warp mbfc results, which could honestly be really dangerous.

Focussing on the factuality and credibility might help you sidestep those problems and make a feature people would find less frustrating, potentially even to the point that you could make it opt out.

Generally I appreciate efforts to build healthier, less echo chambery discourse, thanks for the work you’re doing ❤️

If anyone from lemmings.world could report this I’d appreciate it, I’m not exactly sure who reports go to, so I’m not sure if my report will end up in front of the mod of the instance this account is on

Not the person you replied to, but I’d like to offer another perspective

There’s a difference between describing things, and giving someone credit.

Hitler loving his dogs doesn’t make him not responsible for heinous crimes. It seems odd to me to suggest we not acknowledge that that’s what people who do monstrous things look like

They’re messy and complicated and have traits most would assess as good, and in many ways that only adds to their danger. They don’t look like storybook villians, they look like human beings. They love dogs. At times they say reasonable, even compelling things. They make art. They had childhoods, and families, and loved ones. They suffer and bleed and experience joy like any human being does. And the closer you look, the more human they get.

And then they kill 17 million people.

Oh neat, I’d never seen that before

It is, and somehow that escaped me… 😅

I mean there’s the Lemmy mouse mascot guy, but yeah instances are already pretty established

Oh neat! I wouldn’t have caught that, thanks!

There are a lot of other good answers, but it seems worth remembering lots of poor powerless folks hate trans folks too.

Part of the reason they’re coming after trans people is because it’s human nature to hate or fear those you don’t understand and who are different. A dark, and sad part of human nature, but part of human nature nonetheless

All the other stuff folks are talking about is also a true, but it’s not like they’re unique in their contempt for people who are different

I didn’t know that, that definitely helps

Yeah, I agree.

When it comes to building a fediverse service there’s a really delicate balance to find with making it unambiguous you’re engaging with multiple services, vs creating a singular and cohesive enough user experience, and it seems like the peertube devs just learn reaaally far towards the former at the expense of the latter.

Its a bit frustrating.

Edit: I learned from another user on this thread that sepia search can be enabled by an instance as their search functionality. That definitely helps

That’s fair, but I can’t really speak for those people… I can only speak for me.

It kinda feels like your stance in this interaction is maybe about more than just the point that I was making, and while that’d be fair (I’m sure a lot of people have voiced their frustrations in crap ways) that would definitely explain why it’s felt like you’re talking past me

I don’t know anything about alien.top. Are those the mirrored communities from reddit, or a different thing? If it is, I didn’t even know that was your project when I mentioned them

I don’t think you’re really even arguing with me anymore… It sounds like everything in my first comment you also plan to do or more-or-less agree with, and you’re just kinda frustrated with the broader discussion? I understand you’ve interacted with a lot more people than me, but I can’t really speak for anyone else, and I think I’ve voiced my perspective/opinion in a way that was generally pretty polite and constructive

My brother in Christ, it’s a community built service that runs on donations.

Building infrastructure to process those donations is not “enshitification” 😅

Lol, you’re fine, it just made me remember I appreciate them and it seemed as good an opportunity as any to share :)

Have a good one!

Sorry I was still making changes to my comment to try and convey what I mean, its a bit different now. I’ll read this I’m the morning

I don’t want you to not post at all…? My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms (collaborate to make sure it works for them), or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.

Mostly I just wanted to express that I thought thinking about the human aspect of how your plan will be recieved is important…

I don’t think I said not to post at all at any point, did I…? (I’m falling alseep, I’ll look back at my comments when I’m more awake) I don’t want that at all.

When I said I hoped you were able to support the discussion you wanted to I meant via post mirroring, though looking at my wording I’m realizing I could have been more specific. I just wanted you to be mindful of folks who are here for organic traffic and would be frustrated if you aren’t intentional about what you wanna build and how.

I think theres maybe been a breakdown in communication

Thank you, that’s very kind of you :)

I literally made suggestions in my first comment along side explaining why I thought it was important to find compromises, and you argued with my reasoning for suggesting compromise so I don’t think it was unreasonable for me to assume you were opposed to my position that considering people’s dislike of bots and non organic traffic in your approach

There’s no conflict of interest if we both want compromise, so I’m not sure why youd argue with my reasons and tell me you “don’t care” about the reasons I’d want compromise on this issue, while also saying you want compromise… I’m sincerely confused by that

It sounds like we agree…?