If the Epstein stuff is what finally brings down Trump, it would be peak irony. Its a low bar, but at least some of these MAGA ding dongs draw a line at diddling children.
I honestly thought there was no line for MAGA at this point.
I mean, I don’t think they do draw that line; 47% of Republicans would still vote for Trump even if Trump were implicated in Epstein’s sex-trafficking activities – and those are just the ones who answered brazenly and honestly on the survey, to say nothing of those who say one thing in public and do another when nobody’s looking.
Forty-seven percent of Republican respondents said such a revelation would not affect their vote, though based on other polling data this appears to reflect voter loyalty more than approval of the alleged actions.
Hate to tell ya MAGA, but voting for pedophiles is the same thing as approving of their actions.
Hate to tell ya. They know.
It’s like the people absolutely shocked when they find out the Trump administration’s horrible policies negatively affect them. 😐 ➕ 🐆
There’s still a billion-odd self-identified Catholics despite kiddy-diddling scandals and cover ups one after another. People are fine with criminals if they’re their criminals.
hell, I know folk who stay catholic even though it happened in their family. belief is weird.
honestly any government that classifies non military information, is inherently untrustworthy
That…and the other 53% of Republicans have no idea who Epstein is, or they are also implicated in the Epstein files.
That’s a pretty low percentage for self identified republicans. Not enough to win an election.
If the Epstein stuff is what finally brings down Trump, it would be peak irony. Its a low bar, but at least some of these MAGA ding dongs draw a line at diddling children.
I have kind of tuned out of this iteration of the Epstein scandal. Why would it bring him down now? Is there really any new information? Everyone with a brain knew he was friends with Epstein and on the list. Americans voted him in twice anyways. Why does it suddenly matter now?
Trump campaigned on releasing the list, likely because Trump and Epstein ran competing human trafficking organizations.
Epstein had MC2 modeling, and Trump had T Management.
But both used the same recruiter in Eastern Europe.
There’s likely more ties as well. But you can sort of see how Trump thought he was Scott Free on this one.
Now, prior to them opening up modeling agencies, Trump and Epstein had been thick as thieves, so there might also be old files that Epstein kept.
Anyway it all comes down to Trump literally running on releasing the files, and then quickly walking that back when he found out how many times he was mentioned.
i had some kind of theory, but yours has consumed my brain for the next few hours and i don’t like it.
It’s that “everyone with a brain” bit that’s different now. Because you’re right, nothing here is new. Trump and Epstein’s ties have been pretty common knowledge to anyone not in the cult.
What’s changed is that those inside the cult can’t really ignore it anymore. They went from “the democrats are all pedophiles and the Epstein files prove it!” to “they have the Epstein files on their desks, they are just doing some final checks before they release them” to “there are no Epstein files, there never were any Epstein files, and if you think different you need to shut up.”. Cognitive dissonance may be a powerful force, but “the Epstein files” have been the conspiracy bread and butter that’s been holding this cult together for a while now. They were probably willing to bend on just about anything but that.
A lot of hay is made out of the fact that Trump managed to fuck up running a casino, and it’s true. In a business where the saying goes “the house always wins”, it takes a special breed of incompetance to bankrupt the house. This feels very similar. Dude could have said that aliens stole the Epstein files, Q-anon folks would have bought it. Or better yet don’t say anything at all. I think a lot of folks wouldn’t have bat an eye if Trump’s cronies were still “working on releasing the Epstein files” in 2028.
But he didn’t do that. He made a huge song and dance about “releasing the Epstein files” then obviously canned it at the last minute. For the rabid conspiracy theoriests that comprise his base, the folks who were willing to invent an entire child trafficing code for pizzagate, that was probably the one manuver even he couldn’t pull.
Will this mean anything in the long run? Well, I’ve kinda had my hope beaten out of me in that respect. But this does kinda feel different, I will say that.
My question is what is going to be done if the files containdamning evidence against Trump?
That’s my point. Even if it does the worst case scenario here seems to be about 2-3 weeks of noise in the press, followed by the cult getting their prescribed narrative and adopting it wholesale. How does this lead to Trump’s downfall?
I am feeling like this is just a big distraction from all sides. “We” are being easily played. All these files have been in the hands of both sides and neither have released them. Either they are all hiding things or there isn’t actually anything beyond the sicko JE.
Just one more wedge between the citizens (I don’t know you but I hate you) to occupy us while “they” do something else. The uniparty is real.
Yes thank your for illustrating the logic that enlightened centrist have used to justify voting for a known rapist twice. Literally just stoner logic.
Why didn’t Biden release the files?
Because the only information that isn’t already public is speculation (a mix of outright wrong and unknown if wrong but unprovable in court), victim and witness names, and maybe some investigative techniques. Releasing them would expose victims and witnesses to doxing, feed conspiracy theory on the speculation (including the known-wrong stuff, but to many people “being in the file” gives it some kind of aura), and let future traffickers know how Epstein was finally taken down so they can run a tighter operation and avoid getting caught.
I honestly thought there was no line for MAGA at this point
Don’t assume there is a line. Most of those MAGA numbskulls are armed to the teeth, yet neither Trump nor any of his less-well-protected henchmen are dead yet. So I guess kiddie stuff is mildly okay for the MAGA dumdums - or at least not really anything to get truly worked up over…
You realize there’s been several attempts on Trump and his staff, right? After the first one, they’ve been downplaying it. People have resigned in fear over the Epstein files
And with pizza gate, there was supposedly a dungeon with children about to be raped and killed. Releasing the files is more abstract and less immediate
Time will tell, but I don’t think this is going away
The “good” news is that the reason most stuff never sticks is because most of his base (and the people as a whole…) never know about it. Yes, it is hard to miss if you at all pay attention to the news. How many people respond to a thread to complain about the paywall and ignore the article? Or actively reply without ever having read the article in the first place? Let alone the crowd who “prioritize their mental health” by ignoring everything anyway.
What makes the epstein shit special is that it has been the rallying cry of qanon, and much of the alt-right, for the better part of a decade. In a lot of ways, they are single issue voters with said issue being “god emperor trump is going to kill all the cheese pizza pedophiles in the epstein list”.
And when your very identity is built around salivating over a list of who raped those kids and continue to receive irrefutable evidence that the man you put your faith in got his dick wet with those same child tears for decades?
there isn’t, they want to legalize deportation to active warzones, ice also has a racial bias (obviously), plus they let some trust fund billionaire who wasn’t even part of the American government make massive budget cuts that will have massive concequences.
and technically there is a law that says no president of the united states can be convicted of a crime (for declaring wars and other crap) the side affect being that a 36 times convicted felon (and non-convicted rapist) can run for office, win, and then have all charges dropped
It was what started the revival and rise of political Trump, QANON was all about stopping diddling children. Or so many of its believers were told.
I wonder what Trump the pedophile is planning to do?
tl;dr: Trump biographer Michael Wolff said : “[Trump] is going to sacrifice Ukraine for Epstein”.
Trump’s been trying to loot and scoot Ukraine since his first day in office. Far too late to pin this policy on Epstein.
Not sure that’s the red meat swap his base is looking for. They tend to be pro Russia but it’s less of a focus now.
It would make sense to me that Russia has extra leverage with their hack of the federal court system that may have brought trump to the decision to fold on Ukraine. Total speculation. It also may have been the plan all along to give vlad his concessions and all the previous breaks with putin were choreographed to fein independence from the Kremlin.
He’s gonna start a war
Read this morning he wants to give Russia access to Alaska.
That’s psychotic. I want Alaska to re-join Canada - can be our 11th province.
A civil one, at this rate. He already hates the people in the country and there’s no one to go to war with since he became but-buddies with all the dictators and, despite everything, attacking Europe would probably trigger a civil war anyway.
He has repeatedly threatened Canada with violent annexation.
True, though because of the connection we(Canada) have with the citizens I can’t imagine that going over very well. They’d be better off attacking their own people because other countries probably wouldn’t feel the pull to interject and they’re kinda just shitty like that. If they did attack us they’d be dealing with issues on their own side of the border as much as dealing with us.
Buy Canada 🇨🇦
He ain’t gonna do that. Not cause he doesn’t want to - he’s already said he’s going to cause us “economic pain” so that we somehow give up our sovereignty and be forced to join his fascist clown country: It. Will. Never. Happen.
It’s just another show for him.
Can’t just “cut to commercials” on this one.
Just two buds, out on the town… Raping.
how did you get this?
The picture that’s been posted everywhere?
yeah i should have googled that before i asked sry!
Wut? Lol
Internet
I think PEOPLE circa 1992.
Everything is a distraction from the West giving up on liberty. It’s not only the US.
tldr; new UK laws are extremly privacy invading requiering ID and face photos to acces any explicit material including sites like Wikipedia, similiar to some USA state laws and it looks like EU might just follow
These aren’t distractions, they’re just doing multiple awful things around the same time. Sometimes the timing is, sure, but these are all very real things that they’re doing. Calling it a “distraction” makes it sound likenthey wouldn’t have been so evil if they weren’t afraid but they love this shit.
What does a big thing even mean to someone enacting the American Nazi agenda? Invade Poland?
SHITZKRIEG BABY!🙃
Shake hands with a black person
I keep joking that we are currently at “well the camps aren’t literally in Poland” on the hierarchy of US Nazi denialism.
Well everybody’s had a go at Poland basically. They’re kinda used to it. Maybe now it’s the US’ turn.
/s obviously, just in case
Well to be fair. Russia would be there with bells on again.
We already have bases there, it would be easy! /s
My money is attacking Mexico without a declaration of war. Brown people are down there, it justifies the ICE budget, and other bullshit.
Release the Trump/Epstein files
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He wouldn’t need a distraction from the Epstein files if he just released the Epstein files.
He’s going to float the idea of giving Alaska to Russia, distracting people from the Epstein fiasco.
In other words: drumpf is a RAPIST and a PEDOPHILE
Ha, when you’ve already pulled so many crazy stories that it’s not working anymore. Nice.
Also Epstein did not kill himself.
Release the Epstein files.
that bullet should have gone through his head, not his ear, we were two inches away from a better world
It did. In one ear and out the other without hitting anything vital.
no bullet went anywhere near his head
what are you talking about? he was shot in the ear
show me the scar
i found this in an article after three minutes of research
Seeing the Republican candidate’s ear intact had some questioning the source of Trump’s wound. “This is so strange, does anyone else think trump didn’t actually get shot?” an X user commented. Others were quick to point out that while the flesh damage was not substantial that it was clear Trump had in fact sustained injury. “Disagree, there is evidence of damage at the top,” one X user replied. “How grown adults can’t understand that a 5.56mm hole in your ear can be sewn up and properly heal is beyond me,”
dude, he would be waving that hole around like a battle scar the rest of his life
there was no hole, the top of his ear was taken off, he was almost killed but gout out with what is effectively a fancy scratch, i don’t think any sane person would ever go look mommy i have a booboo also if you actually read the article a shared a link to you would have read that his ear bled a lot, which might not have been super kid friendly when being viewed on public tv
My understanding is that glass from the screen likely shattered and hit his ear?
In any case, a little better aim and we would have a better world.
i fully agree
He was not shot in the ear. Stop spreading lies.
My understanding is that glass from the screen likely shattered and hit his ear?
In any case, a little better aim and we would have a better world.
My understanding is that glass from the screen likely shattered and hit his ear?
In any case, a little better aim and we would have a better world.
Are you sure that would have even been fatal? He’s not using anything up there.
honestly thats probably true
Consider linking the original source instead:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-plotting-this-desperate-move-to-distract-from-epstein-wolff/
And putting the repost in the comment? It’s more direct and includes, among other things, official responses:
House. In response to questions from the Daily Beast Tuesday about Wolff’s reporting that Trump was willing to sacrifice Ukraine to distract from his Epstein crisis, White House Communications Director Steven Cheung told the Daily Beast: “Michael Wolff is a lying sack of s— and has been proven to be a fraud. He routinely fabricates stories originating from his sick and warped imagination, only possible because he has a severe and debilitating case of Trump Derangement Syndrome that has rotted his peanut-sized brain.”
God, every time I hear Steven Cheung open his mouth, I think of Baghdad Bob or a North Korean news broadcast. I know that’s the point - he’s just poisoning the well - but I don’t get how anyone can listen to that response and think “Ok, that’s a legitimate response from an adult.”
One time I looked up Steven Cheung to see what he looked like and oh man that is a face…not even a mother would love. I once heard Margaret Cho say that he’s so ugly, old Asian people would say he is bad luck. That got me good.
He looks perpetually like he got into a fight with a beehive and lost.
He looks like the ass of a chubby infant who wore the same pee-soaked diaper for days.
Excuse me barfs a little
No one who’d really care would see it. It’s either MAGA chum, or heard by those who would never support Trump anyway.
Strategically, it makes sense.
A decade ago I would have thought this would turn off the “independents,” those news-allergic rascals who make decisions on the future of our country and everyone in it based on how they feel election day after polling their Facebook feed. But I agree with you, knowing what I know now about fellow Americans.
The “official response” sounds like official confirmation of Wolff’s reporting.
Quotes I highlighted from Wolff’s book on trump’s first term, most of them quotes from trump or people in his orbit that came up in interviews for the book.
“I don’t get it,” Trump said.
Of course the United States manufactured things, but reality did not match the vision in Trump’s mind.
“I just do,” Trump replied. “I’ve had these views for 30 years. That doesn’t mean they’re right,”
It was clear Trump had no clue what that was or who Porter was.
As far as Porter was concerned Navarro was a member of the Flat Earth Society on trade deficits, like the president himself.
No answers were forthcoming. But Trump soon forgot his questions.
“I don’t want to hear that,” Trump replied. “It’s all bullshit.”
Trump seemed not to comprehend the value and the necessity.
The president was speaking as if the U.S. military was a mercenary force for hire.
“He’s a fucking moron,” Tillerson said so everyone heard.
Cohn concluded that Trump was, in fact, going backwards.
It seems clear that many of the president’s senior advisers, especially those in the national security realm, are extremely concerned with his erratic nature, his relative ignorance, his inability to learn, as well as what they consider his dangerous views
"I can’t sit around and listen to this from the president. He’s just a moron.”
It was clearly Russian propaganda, McMaster said. He and the NSC and intelligence experts had concluded that. But the president had picked it up and shot it out.
Trump seemed not to remember his own decision because he did not ask about it. He had no list—in his mind or anywhere else—of tasks to complete.
“The president has zero psychological ability to recognize empathy or pity in any way.”
Trump had no understanding of how government functioned.
Trump liked signing. It meant he was doing things,
The president thought special assistant sounded a lot better, not realizing it was an even lower position.
Kelly said of the president, “He’s an idiot. It’s pointless to try to convince him of anything. He’s gone off the rails. We’re in crazytown."
“Can we change the libel laws?” Trump asked
He had told the West Wing staff and even some on the Hill that the president didn’t understand what DACA was, that he was ignorant of both the policy and the mechanics.
The president can’t do this on his own, he’d told West Wing colleagues, because if he does it on his own, he’s going to screw it up.
“He’s a professional liar.”
“Mr. President, I cannot, as a lawyer, as an officer of the court, sit next to you and have you answer these questions when I full well know that you’re not really capable.”
He could not say what he knew was true: “You’re a fucking liar.” That was the problem.
The man is an etch-a-sketch it would seem
I wish TDS was more infectious.
