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    It took the 2nd most heavily funded House primary in US history to unseat a member of the squad. It came in 2nd only because the 1st was to unseat Jamaal Bowman.

    The writing is on the wall, AIPAC’s and the pro-fascist Israel lobby’s days are numbered. Blowing exhorbitant amounts of cash every time a politician takes an anti-fascist Israel stance isn’t a sustainable strategy.

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      Blowing exhorbitant amounts of cash every time a politician takes an anti-fascist Israel stance isn’t a sustainable strategy

      I want to agree with you on that, but it’s pretty clear that promoting fascism is at least in the short-term very profitable. Plus the money they spend ousting anti-Isreal politicians means they are more likely to get US Military money, so they spend less on their own military, which frees up funds in order to… influence US politics. I don’t like it, but so far it appears to be an effective strategy

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        I’m not saying that they’ll run out of money, I’m saying that spending in a campaign has diminishing returns. In a single district there’s only so many minds that can be changed by attack ads. Summer Lee was also critical of Israel, but they didn’t even bother to try to unseat her because she wasn’t vulnerable.

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      Its hard to track down precise numbers but US aid to Bibi is in the range of 12 to 24 billion, so 12,000 to 24,000 million, just since october 7th, 2023.

      Then keep in mind that in the last major attack from Iran, Israel itself did almost nothing. The US and its allies, including Jordan, did almost all of the heavy lifting on blocking the attack.

      Bibi has money to burn and hes proven three times already that he wants Trump in charge of things.

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      Takes a lot to look at AIPAC successfully defeating two of their highest priority targets and giving it a negative spjn for AIPAC.

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        Regardless of their immediate success, the issue was that they had to do this at all. They didn’t used to have to spend much to unseat a candidate they didn’t like, and now they do. The campaigns they used to unseat both didn’t even attack them over Israel, which says a lot about how the Democrat base feels about the issue. There were also some squad members, like Summer Lee, who are critical of Israel but not vulnerable enough for AIPAC to even bother. Money can only go so far.

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      Blowing exhorbitant amounts of cash every time a politician takes an anti-fascist Israel stance isn’t a sustainable strategy.

      We would need to compare how much they spend to how much they have, or how much they gain on the regular, before we could make that assertion.

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        It’s not a question of how much money they have to burn, it’s a question of how effective the money they spend will be. In a single district, there’s only so many minds that can be changed by attack ads.

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      Blowing exhorbitant amounts of cash every time a politician takes an anti-fascist Israel stance isn’t a sustainable strategy.

      Money for us “normal folk” and AIPAC are completely different things. AIPAC can throw as much money around as they like. It’s like claiming Louis Vuitton destroys millions of dollars in property every time they burn their unsold merchandise

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    I will donate to her so set it up we should be helping her. It bullshit and should be 100% illegal. It literally a foreign government interfering in our elections. Why the fuck are we allowing this?

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      In 2010 a Repub SCOTUS decided corporations are people. They were able to do so because in 2000 a Repub SCOTUS illegally decided the election for the Repubs.

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      Well, the GOP had project 2025 planned for decades and the DNC had project “suppress any semblance of leftism in the US” going on since the Southern Strategy.

      One of them succeeded.

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        It’s a legally distinct but de facto integrated part of the Israeli government. Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant, delusional, or dishonest.

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          Do you realize that you are accusing 3 million American citizens who are all Jews, of being Israeli government agents?

          Do you see how that comes off to people who are not already in your bubble?

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            you are accusing 3 million American citizens who are all Jews, of being Israeli government agents?

            I am not, no. I am correctly pointing out that AIPAC is a de facto Israeli government agency which has support from both Jewish and gentile Zionists.

            You’re the only one conflating Jewdom and Zionism. Which is ACTUALLY antisemitic.

            Do YOU see how THAT comes off to people who are not already in YOUR bubble?

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              Ahh, yes, the people who call out antisemitism and incorrect statements are the true antisemites.

              Lol, you have shown your true colors and I won’t be engaging any further.

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                the people who call out criticism of AIPAC antisemitism are the true antisemites engaging in the antisemitic trope of equating all Jewish people with the genocidal actions of a fascist apartheid regime

                There, fixed your ridiculous strawman to reflect my ACTUAL claim.

                Lol, you have shown your true colors and I won’t be engaging any further

                Good. Less genocide apologia and false accusations for me to refute.

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                  I never equated all Jews with Israel.

                  But please, feel free to continue lying. With practice you may actually eventually get good at it.

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            AIPAC does not have 3 million lobbyists and they aren’t all Jews. Stop being sensational.

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              I didn’t say AIPAC had 3 million lobbyists.

              If all you guys can do is purposefully misconstrue everything your opposition says, it probably means you are wrong.

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                That’s who has to register as foreign agents. The lobbyists. Because it’s about tracking foreign influence in the government. You could donate money to the British royal family today, that doesn’t make you a foreign agent.

                Do you get it yet?

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                  I would also point out that the 3 million members of AIPAC are not donating to Israel, they are donating to AIPAC.

                  Unless a lobby group has been sanctioned, all Americans can donate to whatever PAC they see fit. That’s called the first amendment.

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                  So you entered a conversation by pretending I said something I didn’t and when told thats what you were doing, you decided that meant I don’t know what lobbying meant.

                  It’s good to see you are up to the same bad faith tricks you have been since I arrived here, June of last year. Never change, my friend, though that goes without saying, since you clearly never intend to.

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          It is 100% financed by Israel?

          Just to confirm, you are staying that the nation of Israel pays for all of it, and not the 3 million plus Americans who are members?

          If that’s what you are saying than I have to respond by saying, “you are lying, you have never looked this up.”

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    Go get them, Ma’am. Fuck them for what they did to you. And then come back and run again next round pushing even harder.

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      "Fuck them for what they did to you…,. " So, fuck Jewish people? Isn’t that why she’s in the situation she’s in?

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        Are you implying donating to AIPAC is a fundamental part of Jewish identity instead of being the hobby of a few right wing billionaires? Because that sounds pretty antisemitic.