Lawmakers in Florida are raising alarm over documents suggesting immigrant children and pregnant women could be detained at ‘Alligator Alcatraz.’

A draft operational plan obtained by the Miami Herald suggests minors could indeed be transported to the controversial site in the Everglades. The 35-page undated document details protocols to “separate minors from unrelated adults” and to provide “snacks and water” to minors, pregnant women and detainees with medical conditions during transport.

“The State of Florida is planning to send pregnant women and children to the ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ detention camp,” wrote State Senator Carlos Guillermo Smith on social media. “This is totally un-American. We cannot be silent.”

  • rozodru@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    15 hours ago

    just call it Alligator Auschwitz.

    Of course they’re going to send children and pregnant women. Do they think the Nazi Germans were all “you know what? the jew kids and pregnant jew women are too much for this. lets leave them alone.” no. You don’t gear up for a genocide by picking and choosing those within the group you plan on genociding.

  • fodor@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    31
    ·
    1 day ago

    Call it what it is: a concentration camp, a death camp, or perhaps Alligator Auschwitz.

    Alcatraz housed convicted felons. This place is housing non-criminals. Immigration is a civil infraction, like a parking ticket. If you ever stole something from the store or got in a fight, you’re more of a criminal than these folks.

      • Jyek@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        16
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        16 hours ago

        You think Auschwitz started out openly with a plan to kill every detainee? German concentration camps were no different than this at the start. Mass cells for a designated group of “outsiders”. It was only later that the gas chambers were erected to cull the contained population to make room for more detainees. We are moments away from Auschwitz in America. If you can’t see that, you are deluded.

        • lukaro@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          15 hours ago

          All they have to do is fill it up and wait, hurricane season will take care of the rest of the plan.

        • Goldholz @lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          13 hours ago

          Ausschwitz was from the beginning a destruction camp

          Concentration camps were not all for killing. Dachau was for political prisoners and only late 1944s got a gas chamber.

          The nazis didnt kill the “undesireable races” right away. They used them as slaves. Only near the end they fully began the killing on industrial scale.

          Hi. Greetings from germany. Exactly 20 minutes from Dachau KZ.

          Lege dich nicht mit mir in einer Debatte über die Pläne und vorhergehensweise der Nazis an.

          • Jyek@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            10 hours ago

            Interesting, so you’re telling me that everything I ever learned about Nazi occupied Poland is wrong then? The first gassings at Auschwitz were in 1941, 2 years after the first camp was established there. There were several camps but they started with one camp and worked their way up to gas chambers. If you’re going to tell me I’m wrong, your source ought to be better than “I’m a German millennial.” Because even the first 3 paragraphs on Wikipedia provide better sources than that.

            Try me, I’ll argue all day about Nazi plans, because the only way to stomp out a flame is to know why it’s burning.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

            • Goldholz @lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 hour ago

              Lol im not even a millenial.

              Yes Ausschwitz-Birkenau was a destruction camp. Yes the end goal of the nazis was always to kill the “undesierables”. But not every camp was a destruction camp. Im every camp they killed, but difference is on how and what scale.

              It was the nazis plan from the beginning to kill, homosexuals, jews, sinti and roma, slavic people, homeless, and more. That was their end goal from the beginning yes. But to compare the thing going on in the USA, to a concentration camp like Ausschwitz-Birkenau, is negligent.

              To elaborate on the nazi camps:

              There were different types though. Work camps and destruction camps being the big two categories.

              Destruction camps were to just kill. Work camps used the inmates as slaves for the industrie. They were still inhumane, cruel and barbaric, and didnt care about the lifes of the inmates. Though the goal here was not right away killing, but working the inmates to death threw exhaustion.

              Putting these camp types on the same step deminishes the horrors of destruction camps. And comparing those things to what ever is going on in the USA (of which i dont have the full picture) deminishes the horrors of all the concentration camps.

              Further elaboration:

              There werent just camps in poland, but all over nazi occupied europe. France, Netherlands, Denmark, Italy, Belgium, Norway, Ukraine, Belerus, Poland, Lithuania aso.

              The first one was build in 1933: Dachau. The model camp. It was a work camp with many outer camps like Augsburg-Pferrsee. In Augsburg-Pferrsee the inmates were forced to work in the Messerschmidt Factories for example.

              The destruction camps were erected from spring 1942, with Ausschwitz-Birkenau being the first one, and began their industrial killing with the polish, jews and others. These are the once you think of when thinking concentration camps. Massive industrial killing with gas chambers.

              Ausschwitz 1 was erected 1940. Death was massive, yes, but not threw gas chambers but threw starvation, lacking hygeen, and exhaustion from slave labor. It was a work camp. The work camps didnt do it on massive scale and only late into the war. In Dachau there was no gas chamber until 1943 as example.

              What trump is building in florida can be categoriesed as a concentration camp, I dont disagree you there, but putting it as an equal to Ausschwitz-Birkenau, again, deminishes the true horrors of the holocaust.

  • razzazzika@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    20 hours ago

    So the alligators will have bite sized snacks in addition to full size meals… sorry, my dark humor. It’s the only way I cope with these atrocities.

  • FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    125
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    So they’re sending children to death camps already? I thought it would take longer than this

      • qantravon@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        2 days ago

        Honest question, what’s flagging this as AI for you? I can generally catch them pretty easily, but I’m not seeing it here.

        • Spezi@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          28
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          The sepia filter and the styling of the font as well as the whole overall feel is exactly like ChatGPT does cartoons.

          • Rinn@awful.systems
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            18
            ·
            1 day ago

            Honestly, thank fuck for the AI studio Ghibli trend, they overtrained the models on that stuff and caused the easily recognizable piss filter to appear. Makes finding AI slop at a glance easier.

        • Spezi@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          20
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 days ago

          The idea of leopards eating my face is not that original. I have seen similiar comics by real artists hundreds of times. I would much rather see those with credit than something ChatGPT generated.

          Edit: Also, it’s not the users idea

            • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 day ago

              Dude I’ve been doin meme shit since they were called “fads”, since Mr T had eaten my balls, but I draw the line at stealing a fun, simple, handwritten comic and making AI slop of it. I’m not a full-on AI hater at all, but fuck that noise. Post the original.