Shalom Shitrit - an IDF soldier who was on duty on 7 October 2023 - has made a damning testimony to the Knesset
  • qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    171·
    3 hours ago

    Be aware that the claim that they let this happen on purpose in this article is mainly based on the fact that patrols were cancelled.

    According to The Dissident, Shitrit said during his testimony that at 5.20am on 7 October:

    We were playing on the phone and suddenly a strange message came up from my deputy commander, … and what he says on the radio is something like this: ‘I don’t know why, but an order was given that there would be no patrols in the (Gaza) fence until 9am

    And sure enough, an hour later, at 6.30am, suddenly sirens.

    I don’t feel this is as conclusive as they present it to be.

  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
    723·
    8 hours ago

    The evidence has been mounting for years, and even this specific revelation just confirms what was known since 2024. Yes, the current Israeli regime absolutely has a master plan for killing all Palestinians and taking over their territories, and yes, this plan absolutely includes manipulating public opinion globally - in other words, lying about it. It also includes supporting Hamas.

    They discuss all this relatively openly in knesset.

    Anyhow, here’s a lengthy quote from the article. There are links in it which didn’t copy over, so please click on the article and further links.

    This is not the first article of this kind btw, and many come straight from Israeli more-or-less-mainstream outlets.

    this testimony from an on-duty IDF soldier sits next to a wealth of documented evidence Israel knew of the attack well ahead of time. Reporting on this, US independent outlet The Young Turks pointed to a number of these. One was a New York Times article from November 2023 detailing how Israeli officials had:

    obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened

    It also highlighted an article by Israeli news site Haaretz from June 2024 which buttressed this further. It confirmed that the Israeli intelligence had “detailed knowledge of Hamas’s plan”. The same outlet has underscored IDF command ignoring intel from women soldiers patrolling at the border, warning of an impending attack.

    Moreover, Israel deliberately deploying its Hannibal Directive makes the soldier’s testimony all the more believable as well. This Israeli military policy prefers the murder of its own soldiers, over them becoming hostages. Numerous Israeli press reports and revelations from Israeli military officials revealed a “mass Hannibal” order that directed the slaughter of civilians Hamas took captive.

    Israel’s then defense minister Yoav Gallant later admitted that the government implemented the Hannibal Directive on 7 October.

    In other words, Israel was fully prepared to murder its own citizens.

    And they’re clever enough to leave their supporters with one final argument, even if they find out about these very real conspiracies: Hamas still actively perpetrated the attack.

  • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.worldEnglish
    111·
    9 hours ago

    It was always the most plausible option. Narratives come before massacres, and you need something real to incite the people. 9/11 was just two decades ago, lol.

    • sleet01@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      9 minutes ago

      "You need a radical insurgency you can count on. You need Ghorman Hamas rebels you can count on to do the wrong thing.”

  • yesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    305·
    11 hours ago

    I find it much easier to accept that Israeli intelligence dropped the ball than they orchestrated or even tolerated the attack.

    The facts about operation Hannibal, collective punishment, starvation, and war crimes is complete and morally damning without imagining that right-wing Israeli atrocity-profiteers are Palpatine level manipulators instead.

    • Kinperor@lemmy.caEnglish
      11·
      4 hours ago

      They absolutely did let it happen on purpose. We had information that pointed to this conclusion within weeks of the attack.

      Egypt told Israel that Hamas was planning something.

      You can walk to the closest military base faster than the IDF reacted to Hamas’ operation.

      Nova survivors are sueing the security forces in presence: a single phone call could’ve saved hundred of lives.

      The list goes on and on, this is absolutely a case of “let it happen on purpose”.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      41·
      4 hours ago

      The facts about operation Hannibal, collective punishment, starvation, and war crimes is complete and morally damning without imagining that right-wing Israeli atrocity-profiteers are Palpatine level manipulators instead.

      What?? Hold on…

      This is where you draw the line? You’re aware of all the other shit you listed, but why would they do this?

      Unreal…

    • floofloof@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      171·
      10 hours ago

      I tend to believe both. These people have shown us there’s no level of evil to which they will not sink when they think it will benefit them.

    • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
      121·
      11 hours ago

      Palpatine level manipulators

      idk, i don’t think it’s that deep either but netanyahu was looking like he was going to be in some deep shit, and then october 7th happened and quite suddenly there’s a bigger issue for people

      i don’t think it was planned and manipulated exactly, but it sure was a convenient distraction, and i think when you (and i of course mean you in the non-personal sense) start to think of a “plan” then all sorts of “yes and” “benefits” start to crop up

      i wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was a convenient distraction that morphed into the horrific “seize it all” genocidal zionist end game that it’s become over the course of less than a month

  • 0li0li@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1251·
    15 hours ago

    Didn’t know we were waiting for confirmation on that. Didn’t they post a report back in December that Israel had intel and did nothing?

    Fucking monsters.

    • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
      13·
      9 hours ago

      There’s a string of not-even-hidden evidence going back many years: Netanyahu’s government actively conspired to destroy Gaza, Palestine etc. by all means, incl. killing their own soldiers and civilians, incl. even supporting Hamas.

    • Dagnet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      52·
      13 hours ago

      Exactly, the whole thing was just a convinient excuse to exterminate Palestinians, it was never about defending Israel

    • Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.orgEnglish
      29·
      13 hours ago

      Yes. First time I heard it was still in October 23 in a fucking tiktok clip. Same with most of the other atrocities. The media reports on it now not because they’ve learned these things only now but because they have become impossible to ignore/deny.

    • jimmy90@lemmy.worldEnglish
      128·
      4 hours ago

      they let the terrorists kill them

      so it’s their fault

      your jew hating victim blaming conspiracy fantasy is epic

      are you the monster?

      • 0li0li@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        35 minutes ago

        I made this statement and I’m fucking jewish! There is a HUGE gap between innocent terrosist victims and the government of Israel.

        But if you wanna show your colors and play the antisemite card, go ahead.

      • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        4 hours ago

        He called netenyahu and other extremist in his csbinet monsters not the civilians victims during 7 of october attrocities. Are you denying that netenyahu is a monster?

  • Ann Archy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    213·
    4 hours ago

    You will never be able to convince me that it wasn’t Putin who orchestrated this attack through Iranian and Middle Eastern terror intermediaries to shift the focus away from Ukraine.

    • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      1 hour ago

      Hey, if you want some anti-Putin paranoia, I can give you that.

      Maybe you’re a Russian state paid propagandist, and your goal here is to water down accusations against Putin by blaming him for crazy shit that he has nothing to do with.

      The point in posting bullshit isn’t just to get people to believe things that are false. It’s also to get people to ignore things that are true, like Putin largely being responsible for both of Trump’s elections through the use of propaganda. The first time was largely manipulating online social media. The second time added US podcasters and personalities that spouted narratives beneficial to Putin.

  • someguy3@lemmy.worldEnglish
    84·
    16 hours ago

    Shitrit said during his testimony that at 5.20am on 7 October:

    We were playing on the phone and suddenly a strange message came up from my deputy commander, … and what he says on the radio is something like this: ‘I don’t know why, but an order was given that there would be no patrols in the (Gaza) fence until 9am

    And sure enough, an hour later, at 6.30am, suddenly sirens.

  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.mlEnglish
    29·
    13 hours ago

    I’d say he would kill himself with 5 bullets on the back on the head, but it’s not like Israelis aren’t proud of what’s happening.

  • Jaded99@lemmy.worldEnglish
    246·
    6 hours ago

    Then why don’t they flatten Gaza? They have all the power to do it, yet don’t. They have most of the worlds support now too. Conspiracy theories.

    I’m not jewish but you shoot my children, I will make yours go extinct. Netanyahu is weak sauce.