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    Former congressman Harold Ford, former chair of the Democratic Leadership Council and banking executive, made a similar point on Fox. “I was an elite that supported you in 2020,” Ford said. “And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage you against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.”

    Oh my gosh, universal, tax-paid healthcare, higher education, and increased worker protections. So detrimental. Things most of Europe and even our neighbor to the North handles just fine.

    And y’all think these people are still on the left in any way, shape, or form?

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    I’ve said this over and over again, (…) Joe Biden was not picked in 2020 because he was the only person that could beat Trump. He was picked because he was the only person that could beat Bernie Sanders, rightly or wrongly. … That conclusion was made, okay? “Oh my gosh, coming out of Nevada, Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee!” And people, just like they are now, said, “Ahhh, I don’t think that’s going to work,” so they were looking for an alternative.
    - Adam Smith

    I was an elite that supported (Biden) in 2020, (…) And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage (Biden) against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.
    - Harold Ford

    This seems to be the gist of the article.

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    Former congressman Harold Ford, former chair of the Democratic Leadership Council and banking executive, made a similar point on Fox. “I was an elite that supported you in 2020,” Ford said. “And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage you against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.”

    From Harold Ford’s Wiki

    In April 2021, Ford joined Fox News as a political contributor.[7] He frequently appears on Special Report as a panel member and was named a co-host of The Five in January 2022.

    Hey great going democratic party leadership, you’ve always looked like incompetent morons, now you look like corrupt incompetent morons!

    SHOULD HAVE BEEN BERNIE. YOU STOLE OUR FUTURE TO PRESERVE YOUR PRESENT PROFITS.

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      SHOULD HAVE BEEN BERNIE. YOU STOLE OUR FUTURE TO PRESERVE YOUR PRESENT PROFITS.

      I’m not sure we should be so pessimistic yet. They blocked a candidate but did nothing to kill it’s popularity. As long as we don’t succumb to Fascism within the next four years, there’s still a massive base of voters that would vote for a socialist in the '28 primary, and the left democrats will have had 12 years since Bernie’s first campaign to build up the infrastructure for it by that point.

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        They blocked a candidate but did nothing to kill it’s popularity

        Nothing? I can think of a few laws that are killing minorities rn, and let’s not get stared on the police…

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      “Fox News pundit now openly admits wanting to YET AGAIN fool people into helping billionaires get gigantic GOP tax cuts like in 2016 which was Bernie’s worst nightmare”.

      2016: PROFITS WERE INCREASED GREATLY

      SHOULD HAVE BEEN BERNIE.

      We should have had more people wanting to vote Bernie. Absolutely. Too bad you didn’t work hard enough on that.

      TO PRESERVE YOUR PRESENT PROFITS.

      Biden raised the minimum corporate tax from 0% to 15%, and skillfully did it with the votes of 2 senators who are now independents.

      2020: PROFITS WERE NOT PRESERVED.

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        Too bad you didn’t work hard enough on that.

        Certainly not as hard as the party worked to shut out progressives for you.

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          for you.

          For me as a huge Bernie Sanders supporter since before he was even a senator? LMFAO.

          the party worked to shut out progressives

          Will you stop with the nonsense? Who the fuck is “the party” and exactly how the fuck do they “shut out” people like me? You NEVER hear Bernie Sanders saying this shit – because he’s not an idiot.

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          If you think any one of them ain’t on the same team, you are a sucker. They may believe they are and think they’re telling the truth. Doesn’t matter. They’re capitalist. Every thing they do is theft from you and everyone else. Doesn’t matter. If you don’t think otherwise enough to at least figure out the truth, then you are as delirious as every one of them. It don’t matter. Result is always collective suicide irrespective of who does whatever they think they are doing or who wins that whack-a-troll.

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    Good going. Let’s argue and divide the Democrats when it needs unity the most.

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      “Oh man this is very inconvenient to the echo chamber. Please move on everyone nothing to see here”

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      If you don’t want evidence of fuckery coming out, it’s pretty easy not to engage in fuckery in the first place.

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      We held our noses and voted for him despite everything we knew in 2020. What did that get us? A genocide halfway across the world.

      This time around I decided to believe Biden when he says he is a Zionist. He demonstrated it over 30,000 times so far.

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        I still remember on October 6th when Biden said “fuck all those Palestinians, murder them all.”

        It wasn’t because of the actions of a terrorist group that sparked a disproportionate response at all.

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          Collective Punishment is a war crime and against international law. So was the blockade and occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. Palestinians aren’t resisting out of nothing and their resistance is legal per international law.

          If this is the position most liberals hold, I see no reason why Arab and Muslim Americans should vote for a party that demonizes them anyways.

          Now we don’t know if Biden ever said that about Palestinians on October 6th but he did say it about Lebanese in 1982. So I know that he at least believes it and his actions show it.

          Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.

          https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/

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            October 7th wasn’t some great usurpation of settlers. It was another attempt at killing Jews because that’s what Hamas’ mission statement is you fucking idiots.

            Not saying Jews aren’t also trying to eradicate Palestinians.

            BOTH GROUPS ARE WRONG. STOP SUPPORTING ZIONISTS OR TERRORISTS.

            HAMAS CALL TO JIHAD;

            “The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.” (Article 15)

            “Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: ‘Hail to Jihad!’. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah’s victory comes about.” (Article 33)

            On the destruction of Israel:

            “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (Preamble)

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          also because most of the terminally online far left agree with the far right. which is why most of them are transphobic and anti-immigrant af.

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            Oh, I see. Biden’s adoption of Trump’s immigration policies are why centrists think he’s the most progressive president who ever progressed a progress.

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                Biden circumvented 26 environmental laws to build Trump’s wall for him. Centrists weren’t pretending his hands were tied then, since he was doing exactly what centrists want: whatever Republicans want.

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              The wiki page specifically says that it’s highly criticized:

              Several political scientists, psychologists, and sociologists have criticized the horseshoe theory. […] political scientists do not appear to support this notion, and instances of peer-reviewed research on the subject are scarce. Existing studies and comprehensive reviews often find only limited support and only under certain conditions; they generally contradict the theory’s central premises.

              Just because it has a wiki page does not mean it’s a valid theory.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Theory

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              You should be rejecting it because it’s opinion rather than “information” (mis or not), not because an online theory exists which codifies the opinion. And it probably should have been reported for Trolling in the first place. That’s not a comment intending to do anything but start a fight.

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                Do you know how theory works?

                You have to prove a theory true before you can say it’s a fact.

                Saying it’s a fact is misinformation.

                Like saying “Biden started the genocide in Palestine”. Might make you feel popular in your echochamber, but reality is at odds with the statement.

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                  Do you know how theory works?

                  I sure as hell know how gaslighting works.

                  I get that you’re just happy to pretend that anyone to your left is a Trumpist because it gives you an excuse to dismiss anything you don’t like.

                  You have to prove a theory true before you can say it’s a fact.

                  Saying it’s a fact is misinformation.

                  Ain’t a whole lotta room for “jeepers, it’s totally only a theory” here:

                  also because most of the terminally online far left agree with the far right. which is why most of them are transphobic and anti-immigrant af.

                  Which is straight up libeling an entire movement. There is NOTHING that says most leftists are transphobic or anti-immigrant. Not a goddamned thing. That’s not a ThEoRy, it’s a fucking lie.

                  Like saying “Biden started the genocide in Palestine”.

                  Which I’ve never said. I’ve said that he supports Netanyahu’s genocide. But hey, you’re not above some libel. You can just call it a theory after the fact.

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        Reluctantly, I gave the piece a fair shake.

        It’s garbage. We know that the DNC pushed other more moderate candidates out so that a more moderate candidate, one the average democratic voter and independent thinks they want, could win instead of them all splitting the vote. This was obvious, not some conspiracy theory.

        The author of the piece is trying to claim that because one person said they chose a candidate that could beat sanders, that was the ultimate goal. But they wanted to beat sanders because they felt he couldn’t beat trump. They quote one person effectively saying this, but then dishonestly spin it.

        The second quote is one person saying that he thinks sanders policies are bad, as if this proves anything.

        It’s amazing anyone reads this site without realizing how terrible it is.

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    Of course the corporate democratic side of the house wouldn’t want Bernie. He was a threat to the status quo and they couldn’t have that. Shifting money back to the middle class from the ultra rich? But it’s the ultra rich that keep bank rolling them. How could they possibly go against that? Instead they discredited an honest, good guy who actually espouses the values out of their good book.

    I just wish they could get on message and get in lock step about a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. It’s the only reason the right is successful at this point. Yep, their policies are garbage, but look at them rally around their trash fire and start dancing to the drums.

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      Yeah, how is this a shock to people? If they can’t have their own neoliberals in office, they would absolutely prefer to lose to another neoliberal than win with a progressive.

      America desperately needs preferential voting.

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    Its not unexpexted and doesn’t matter. I’m stil voting and it will be for whoever is running against Trump.

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    Because like most other politicians many of the “democrats” are slaves to their billionaire masters too

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    The corporate democrats pulling off the masks once again. Now that Joe Biden is pro labour they want to throw him under the bus as well.

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      Every gambler knows 
      That the secret to surviving 
      Is knowing what to throw away 
      Knowing what to keep 
      'Cause every hand’s a winner 
      And every hand’s a loser 
      And the best that you can hope for 
      Is to die in your sleep

      -Kenny Rogers

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      There’s nothing antidemocratic in people organizing to oppose the candidate they don’t like. That’s just regular democracy.

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    This was never in doubt, it was said from the beginning. The fear is that someone who refers to themselves as a socialist cannot win in the rust belt swing states. Pro-labor positions in general don’t do well in the midwest, it’s a central area in the fight to dismantle unions.

    Not that Hilary won them either though.