Asked whether they believed Trump has or has not “committed serious federal crimes,” 54 percent of poll respondents replied that he had. But 19 percent of them confirmed they’d still vote for this criminal ex-president in 2024. Along the same vein, 13 percent of those who believe Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results “threatened American democracy” still plan to vote for him next year.
This is part of why the GOP has been manufacturing lies about Joe Biden being corrupt so urgently: They can’t convince most people that Trump isn’t a criminal so they’re trying to convince them that both candidates are criminals so it doesn’t matter.
I love how this is so patently obvious about Republican tactics, and just yesterday I had someone trying to argue that this isn’t an inherently Republican talking point. “They’re all crooks, so they’re both the same!”
You can’t convince me that some of them aren’t Russian trolls looking to stir dissent and destabilize the nation.
There’s obviously Russian troll farms but when researchers published their memes and other posts, they were often kind of weird and didn’t gain wide reach.
So, my theory is that we don’t need Russian trolls to destabilize the nation. We have plenty of political marketing firms right here in America that have a deeper cultural understanding and an equal amount of shamelessness.
It would be so American if Russia hired an American firm to destabilize ourselves because we have a better understanding of the zeitgeist here.
Can Russia still afford trolls these days while paying for the war?
Trolls are cheap. Much cheaper than tanks.
Plus trolls don’t need spare parts or a supply chain that can be embargoed
Ah yes! Biden is so corrupt that the GOP had to go after his son, who isn’t a politician, in order to get anything on him…
And are still failing to make anything meaningful stick - despite having “mountains of evidence” lol
Right, because Biden wasn’t involved and set up Hunter countless times with his backroom China deals right? Biden hasn’t been accused a dozen times long before he was POTUS of inapprotiate shit with women, Hillary wasn’t busted with her off the books shit with her home server and emails…RIGHT??? Don’t kid yourself.
Small potatoes compared to the opposition. How do we give you a wider perspective?
Countless times?
Dozens of times?
The hyperbole isn’t helping you. You might have an argument if you actually stuck to one or two substantive examples, rather than throwing out ridiculous numbers.
For all of you kids out there - back in the Reagan days, the republicans spent a lot of time and money convincing “blue collar” people to vote against their interests. People that would benefit the most from public healthcare, better environmental standards, higher taxes on the obscenely wealthy, and a more just legal system began voting against all those things.
It was as fucking stupid then as it is now, only since the TEA party creation, they’ve gone full batshit and there’s no ideal or central mission to anchor them.
I’m saying it’s been forty years and it’s only gotten much worse. This insane death dance with Trump is the unfortunate result, and they refuse to stop it.
What you need to understand is that people who voted for Reagan weren’t voting to screw themselves; they were scared and wanted a “strong leader” who looked good. Even Gorbachev talked about how magnificent Reagan looked and sounded.
Don’t get me wrong, I consider Reagan one our worst Presidents and a scoundrel, but if you listen to some of his speeches, you’ll understand how people would trust him.
Sure. Then you’ve got Donald “cofefe” Trump. They’re baskets of deplorables, plain and simple. Hillary had it right all along.
You can argue that Reagan was an effective president because he did look and communicate the part. Whether you agreed with his policies or not, he was “presidential” and had huge standing both locally and internationally
https://www.reagan.com/the-great-communicator-ronald-reagan
Compare that to the ever shrinking Republicans since, where their image and prestige on the world stage is just less and less over time…. Until you have an embarrassment to the nation and five year olds everywhere
Just because I like this story.
First meeting between Gorbachev and Reagan. Protocol was set in advance. Americans show up to the meeting place, talk to the reporters, then wait for the Russians to arrive. Gorbachev and his people arrive, walk over to where the reporters are waiting, and then suddenly Reagan comes outside and walks down these beautiful marble steps to greet the Russians.
The reporters go nuts, because this kind of picture never happens. The Russians are standing there with their mouths open, looking like stooges, while Reagan stands there looking like a King who has summoned some peasants for a banquet.
That a story Gorbachev told about what it was like dealing with that dirty so-and-so.
I’m saying it’s been forty years and it’s only gotten much worse.
Not only has the GOP had forty years to perfect their propaganda skills, they’ve also used that time to gut education in every state they’ve gained control in. That has allowed them to undermine the critical thinking skills of a huge swath of the population. In fact, in the 2012 Republican Party of Texas platform they said the quiet part out loud and explicitly opposed the teaching of critical thinking.
Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
Guys, you’ve got to remember that these are just simple MAGAts. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new GOP. You know… morons.
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Yeah, the subtext there is chilling: a not insignificant proportion of the electorate identifies themselves as people who threaten American democracy.
It makes complete sense when you realise, that these people WANT to destroy the American democracy.
as long as the ‘right peoples’ are hurt along the way, it doesn’t matter to them if the country implodes or if they or their families get hurt, too.
I guess they hate the countries institutions so much that they’ll burn it all down just to feel it’s warmth
It’s worse. Such people simply don’t value democracy and it’s benefits but would rather live in an authocratic system as long as they are the race on top.
“He may be a crook, but he’s our crook! He hates the same people we do. Maybe criminals are simply more efficient haters!”
This is in no way a defense of Trump, but history shows that right and wrong, criminal or visionary, terrorist or martyr - those are all a question of victors and history. There is every chance they see Trump in the same vein as the founding fathers - all of whom would’ve been strung up had the war for independence gone the other way.
They seem to simply be casting their lots with him. Whether he is a criminal or not is irrelevant to them because they believe in his vision. Which is why Trump is more a symptom of the problem than the actual problem. He has tapped into this disaffection better than any other right-winger, but it’s clear there is a swell of support for these ideas.
I think it’s disingenuous to draw that correlation. Yes, the Founding Fathers were in rebellion against their parent state. That’s where the parallels end. Their parent state was also ruling from the other side of the ocean and allowing any representation for the colony’s interests. What Trump proposes to do is to go back to that authoritarian rule, but under his control. His base loves that idea and wants to see him be someone like Putin, whom they idolize. Freedom for themselves, and slavery for everyone else.
I grant you, they see themselves as the patriotic heroes defending what they see as their patriotic stance. But the comparison fails under minimal scrutiny.
I certainly don’t mean to be disingenuous and that is a critique I take quite seriously. I assure you I post in earnest. I’m not saying there are parallels beyond the superficial or any sort of validity to Trump and his fascist sycophants. Just that from their perspective, they might see them as far more alike than you or I do.
I get it, and I upvoted you. You’re presenting their perspective of themselves. I felt compelled to go further and explain how that perspective fails.
Brainless twats shall forever be brainless.
Most of his base likes him because he’s a bad candidate. They have been trained by their chosen media to desire bad traits and cast uncertainty and doubt on good traits. They love him precisely because he is horrible. If there was a worse candidate than Trump, they’d vote for them instead. In fact many of these people who are already fed up with Trump are going right to RFK because they desire bad traits.
“But if we don’t vote Republican, the Democrats will eat babies!!!1!”
I’m so tired of this shit.
*know
And 100% of them need to find a new country to live in and stop trying to turn mine into a fascist hell hole
I know you think that you can fix
himit, thathe’sit’s just in need of your love…At what point do you call it quits?
Update: I now realize that it could be read like I’m talking about Trump. I’m not. I was trying to make it sound like that thing people, who are in abusive relationships, say.
Politics is no different than sports, with people rooting for rapist and murderers because they wear the same colors.
AKA some people are so stupid, you wonder how they can walk and breathe at the same time.
The term “thick as thieves” was created for a reason.
Also “thick as pig-shit”
Republicans are the party of Law and Order! That’s why they support people they think are criminals!
Election season is ramping up. Time to engineer polls to make your base hate the other team’s base.
Are you saying that Trump supporters won’t support him if he’s a criminal?
I’m saying it’s election season so they’re putting out polls designed to get responses that polarize the democratic base against the republican base. Is that more clear?
Do you think most Trump supporters would still support him if he was a criminal?
You’re introducing them categorically as ‘Trump supporters’ so my answer would be yes.
So I guess the title is actually right, and it’s not just trying to drum up controversy. It’s not exactly a secret those people don’t care if the president is a crook, a rapist, a child molester, or whatever else you can get away with when you are (supposedly) that rich—the mind wanders. I’m sure they’re all very proud. I’d wager most of them are several of those things too.
You support a rapist president, don’t you? You support a president who can individually stop a mass genocide happening right this moment, don’t you? The fuck are you acting superior for? It’s not exactly a secret you don’t give a fuck about anything but your team winning. I’m sure you’re proud too. I’d wager you’ve raped at least one person in your life, right? Most people who act like you have, and that means 50/50 you’re a rapist by your logic, right? You’ve shoved your finger inside a woman against her will and without asking in the hallway of your workplace because “I thought you liked me,” right?
Is my comment just trying to drum up controversy? Everything I said is true. If it’s true you can’t examine motives, right?
If Biden is convicted of rape, I won’t vote for him. I’m really not that big of a fan. The same goes for anyone else.
Genocide: Trump wouldn’t help. 🤷♂️ and unlike a Trump shill—I’m not a Biden supporter even though he got my vote.
Also, I voted for Bernie in the primary —who definitely would have been vocal about Israel and Palestine. My Biden vote was a “not Trump” vote.
I’m not acting superior, you’re thinking I am. Thanks, but I disagree.
I’d vote for someone off of my team if their team wasn’t trash. Give me more than two teams.
I’ve never had sex with a woman. I’ve never raped a man.
Nice try, but it’s probably just projection.
So, I guess you’re just wrong.
