I’m all for it.

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    No. Stop.

    This is the definition of interrupting your enemy when they’re making a mistake.

    Let them kill windows 10, I have atleast 5 friends ready to switch to linux when Windows 10 hits EOL.

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      As a gamer, proton/lutris still isn’t quite to the point that I am ready to make the jump. It’s very close though and I’m going to make the switch probably in the next 24 months.

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        Typically, imo, most people who aren’t ready to jump to Linux are there because their top couple of games are ruled by arrogant devs/publishers who balk at the idea of ticking an “enable proton compatibility” checkbox with their anticheat.

        From what I’ve seen Proton has hit a quality of compatibility that the games will just run, and typically better than Windows. If it doesn’t run it’s usually because it’s too new and proton needs a patch, or the devs/publishers did the aforementioned “no, i won’t tick the checkbox, it’s too hard.” bullshit.

        Basically, if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.

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          For me it’s that a lot of the open source options to replace the Adobe and MS Office suites just always fall short. Trouble shooting Linux issues feels like hell after a lifetime of learning how to troubleshoot Windows issues.

          Adobe is the bane of my existence for many reasons, and I jump ship wherever I can. But GIMP doesn’t really compare to Photoshop. Inkscape doesn’t work well against illustrator - the only open source artistic creation software I swear by is blender. Davinci resolve isnt bad compared to premier pro though - but not After Effects.

          MS office isn’t great either (why does Ms word operate like it exists in a separate instance of reality that’s forever stuck in the 90s?!)

          Microsoft captured the corporate world and compatibility with the off brand stuff is a huge issue

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            The one that got me recently when I tried Linux was mouse software. I couldn’t configure my mouse buttons even close to what I have on Windows (couldn’t use modifiers like shift or control on one mouse, to start), and it just felt bad.

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              What mouse? Logitech and Razer have alternative control panels for Linux that should allow this.

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            Try Krita. It’s pretty similar to photoshop. A few creature comforts will be lost, but not too many substantial things.

            However, if you really use the curved text feature of photoshop a lot, you may miss that.

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              Oh nice, thanks for the suggestion I’ll try it out. I don’t use the curved text in photoshop, that’s usually done in illustrator in my workflow

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              gimp is like Photoshop 3.0 or something it’s a piece of shit it’s super old and it sucks

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                I feel like GIMP was a depraved person’s creative exercise in designing a UI and workflow as fucking shit as humanly possible and then leaving it like that for a couple of decades while continuing to develop the program.

                But in reality I know it’s probably due to the complexities of maintaining such an old project with limited resources and volunteers and I’m grateful something like it even exists.

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              Masking is not nearly as easy to apply. It’s very quick to get smooth edges in your mask in Photoshop.

              Photoshop now has a built in AI (Beta Version) to generate backgrounds or add things to your image.

              In GIMP, you can only use one artboard (canvas) at a time. Photoshop can have multiple within one file

              Photoshop can link directly to illustrator and can handle vectors, not just rasterized images.

              Most of the scaling and filtering tools just tend to work better in Photoshop. Also The “Object Selection” tool in Photoshop is amazing. This doesn’t exist in GIMP.

              Smart objects are nice too (Photoshop only) - makes it so you can edit one object and change it across multiple artboards + other functionality.

              And one of my biggest issues, GIMP can’t edit pictures in CMYK - it’s a big work around just to try and export your sRGB image to CMYK in GIMP, but your colors will change.

              Literally the only thing I like GIMP over Photoshop for is that it’s easier to add gradients with a transparency

              Edit:

              Oh and gimp is good at changing specific color hues quickly. But that’s all I’ve found

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          “enable proton compatibility” checkbox with their anticheat.

          Isn’t proton mainly a steam thing?

          Because honestly, the reason I’m not jumping to linux, is all the heavily modded GOG stuff and nexus mod manager.

          That and bad experiences in the past.

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            If you get the heroic launcher, you can install proton or proton GE and use them on Epic Games or GOG games. I’m pretty sure there is a way of doing it without a launcher but it is less user friendly. I also prefer Heroic to Lutris.

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          if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.

          So never.

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          I have no allegiance to either, the second Linux is consistently beating Windows and compatible with 95%ish of new releases I’m in. Steam Deck proved that it is a matter of time I think, thank you Valve 🙏

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            I literally game on nothing else right now.

            Sure, in an ideal world I’d be rocking 4k and max settings, but I just want to play the games. I’ve been so tied up for the last 8 years that I have a wonderful back catalog of games to play. I’m currently playing RDR2 and holy shit it might be the greatest game ever made.

            I dock it for older games that I need keyboard and mouse to play.

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          nobody is jumping to Linux except developers and Linux users. ive used it every day for 20 years. it departments aren’t putting it on employee machines. your mom isn’t going to install it on her laptop that she uses to do her taxes and play the sims 3. it’s not ever going to happen because Linux isn’t software that’s meant to do that.

          you’re not only naive if you think “the year of the linux desktop” is a real thing, you’re illogical and you’re probably an idiot. it doesn’t even make sense. reddit is so full of toilet optimism that it has no idea what’s going on.

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            You haven’t been paying attention. Literally the best selling item on Steam for nearly a year and a half was a Linux Gaming PC.

            Linux is far more flexible than Windows. The nature of open source is what enables such flexibility. The only reason Linux hasn’t been adopted by many is simply because of the chicken and egg issue.

            Microsoft and Apple had made a monopoly on the market for desktop computers, And since the desktop market share was so low for linux, few devs developed desktop software for Linux. Which then in turn kept Linux from gaining marketshare.

            But the times are changing. Wine, Proton, Lutris and Multi-Platform web app tools have lead to a world where devs can simply just mindlessly go “oh yeah I guess we can enable linux builds/proton supported builds.” and just forget about it.

            For example, lets say it was 2006 and Discord was just released in that time period. Instead of being a web app, they built a client that communicated using an API for Discord. Well, more than likely that official client was Windows and maybe MacOS exclusive. They built it from the ground up, and sure it has an API and sure a linux client may exist. But it would never be 1:1 with the official client.

            This was the most likely thing to happen, and theres no way you can convince grandma to try Linux when all of her basic apps don’t work anymore.

            Fast forward to 2023. Unless Grandma is using Adobe software, Linux will work fine. Chromebooks sold well for basic users afterall.

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        Are you kidding? I made the jump a month ago and get better performance across the board gaming with proton/lutris than I did with windows.

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          It’s not about performance but compatibility. Such as certain anti-cheat software in online games.

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          Some things just aren’t good enough yet.

          Like VR compatibility and performance, particularly with nvidia and quest headsets.

          Otherwise yeah, 99% of my games would run perfectly fine.

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            Oh yeah, you’re right there! I haven’t had the funds to get a home VR setup yet, so I was pleasantly surprised all my games actually run BETTER after I made the switch.

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      I have Linux on all my machines except one crappy old laptop that had Windows 10. When they EOL Win10, I’ll have to buy another one like that for those rare occasions when you need to run something that just won’t work in Linux.

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        I’m no fool. I know Linux isn’t going to hit 100% desktop marketshare the instant windows 10 goes EOL.

        But I do know many people who are willing to make the switch rather than to go to Windows 11.

        Windows has been bleeding desktop marketshare for years. They are at a far cry from their 80% of the early 2000s.

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    Based on my conversations with my clients, it seems like the 2025 date is going to result in the greatest Linuxing of all time.

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      as an avid multi-decades linux desktop user who has worked at a company with people in it before, i believe there is no way in fuck that this is true.

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        Yeah, I work in industrial automation and I don’t see how it could be possible

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          I know right? I don’t even let Rockwell run in anything but a VM by itself after it wiped my C drive. Happened to some other people at last job too. I could explain it better, but it would be exhausting and stressful to go on another rant about their awful software.

          I would love for Siemens and Rockwell software to work in Mac and Linux. Or half of the other random utilities for various hardware components. I just don’t see it happening. At least Ignition is agnostic.

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            Before my current job I was in a small business with no IT (I did all of the IT work, actually. Kinda poorly) and I could manage my laptop however I wanted, so I ran Linux with VMs for industrial IDEs, I mean you have to use VMs anyway, right? It fucking rocked. I don’t know if it was the laptop (XPS 15), or virtualbox, or Linux, but it was way snappier than my current setup (windows Zbook with VMware).

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        You’re right in that this isn’t true of your typical working folks who use Microsoft 365, Sharepoint, or specialized design software.

        There are a lot of folks who just use their computer for a web browser. When you tell them that their hardware, some of which is as young as 2017, will lock them out of security updates in two years, they’re pretty receptive to alternatives like ChromeOS or Linux.

        For some of the older population, the simplicity of such options is a huge perk.

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      The year of the Linux desktop is upon us. The prophecy has been foretold by the sages of the code. A new dawn is on the horizon. A new era of freedom an power approaches as more and more disks are cleansed by the mighty forces set free by Stallmann and Torvalds. No more shall the users be enslaved by proprietary software and restrictive licenses.

      The Year of the Linux Desktop is upon us, and nothing can stop it.

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    Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.

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      I find this funny as I remember the first 5 years of Windows 10 be like everyone hates it because it’s not Windows 7

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        Well it was replacing the tile-silliness of Windows 8, any OS that booted would receive some goodwill in comparison

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      I wouldn’t count on that, if the rumor mill of windows 12 being a subscription model ends up true, it will be recieved far worse than 11 did.

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          I thought it was a little far-fetched as well, but there was a post I believe it was here a few weeks back of people that were running the windows 12 beta snooping around the code and seeing references to subscription classification and typing

          This is a PC mag article that refers to it. it doesn’t go in as depth as the other post did

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            Hold the fucking goddamn phone… We don’t even have 11 in full swing and they’re making 12!? What the actual fuck Microsoft?

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              I think Microsoft has gotten so used to the swing back and forth that they just assume 12 is going to be a banger. I can think of no worse setup for a train wreck of a release than 12 being the first Microsoft built major OS to break this mold since XP and end up being the 2nd OS in a row that bombed and drove away market share.

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        This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.

        The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.

        In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.

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          I feel like I will have to revisit this comment in a few years with ‘aged like fine milk’… Hope I am wrong.

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      failed 11

      By what metric (other than clickbaity tech publication headlines)?

      Every Windows release, even including “the good ones”, my repair shop has been inundated with requests to go back or post-upgrade troubleshooting work.

      We’ve had none of that since 11’s release. The only botched upgrades were due to underlying hardware conditions and everyone else has been neutral at worst.

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        Have any of the other relases had a hardware requirement that even 3 year old PCs don’t meet? I just built my PC in 2020 and win11 is telling me I can’t upgrade because of my basically new hardware…

        My bet is on many many people simply can’t upgrade.

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          Just about anything from 2018 or newer meets the hardware requirements, but at time of release (October 2021) that was just over 3 years. Ryzen 2000 and Intel 8000 are the initial entry level.l that meet the requirements.

          Unless you used 2+ year old parts for you build, you just need to go into UEFI/BIOS and enable the firmware TPM (fTPM) or perform the BIOS update that switches that to being on by default.

          I’d recommend the latter since you are likely to also gain stability and/or security improvements going that route.

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            Thanks for the info! I have a 9900k so that should be fine. It’s on a designairz390 mobo so maybe that was the issue? I’ll have to look into those bios settings

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      before 10, on 8.1 everyone was the same with 10, that it will be the next Vista, by the same logic that XP was OK, Vista was NOK, 7 was OK, 8 was shit, 8.1 was OK…

      don’t forget, for several years, 10 was unuseable and lots of people - including me was not willing to use it.

      for a few years, 11 will be the devil but soonly enough the migration will happen - it has to, if someone needs Windows…

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        10 became usable when they walked back most feature changes and made it closer to 7. I had completed blocked out the awful start menu at 10 launch.

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          the start menu on Windows 10 is still unusable to me, so I end up just searching. sometimes it doesn’t even find a match when I type the exact name of the app I’m trying to launch. it’s computer software that can’t search text. I think it’s really good though and I hope that Microsoft makes a lot of money forcing people to buy new computers with Windows licenses attached to them. isn’t Jesus wonderful? God works in mysterious ways. I believe he has a plan for all of us. I’m taking a shit

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            The start menu is actually pretty good if you spend some time customizing it with your apps and programs. Having organized folders and groups is a “game changer” (ok not really, it’s neat though) for me.

            I also recommend adding all the programs to the start menu scrolling thingy. There is a folder somewhere on C: that you can put shortcuts into and they appear in the scrolling menu. Don’t ever rely on the search to launch programs that aren’t in that menu or setup comprehensive indexing yourself.

            Or just use “everything” to search for everything. Everything is extremely fast and indexes everything (hence it’s name) very quickly, and you can search with wildcards or boolean operators or my favorite regex.

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                Then don’t ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                I do it because it makes my life easier (especially with “Everything”) and it doesn’t take long to do. But you do you.

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      I actually like 11 compared to 10 (so far as I like Windows in the first place - I only use it on my work-provided computer, Linux everywhere else). People rightly complain about the advertising and tracking for why they won’t upgrade but doesn’t 10 have that too?

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        I still have windows 10 on my work computer which is the only windows device I have, and it is riddled with advertisements, especially the start menu

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    Man, I’m just going to say it… I’m sick of all the Linux people saying it’s the solution to all problems in computing. Can we not talk about anything else here on Lemmy? This article is about Windows.

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      I mean, this is platform which runs on Linux and embodies the same spirit which drives Linux forward - the collaborative power of opensource software. Is shouldn’t come as a surprise that there’s a heavy skew of Linux and opensource enthusiasts here. If you’re sick of all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a propriety forum, perhaps one with a red alien logo.

      This article is about Windows.

      The article is about Window 10 becoming EOL, and given how many people are put off by Windows 11, suggesting Linux as an alternative is a reasonable comment, IMO. Feel free to argue otherwise if you feel so strong against it.

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      100%. I’m very happy for the people in the Linux community who have collectively supported a free and open source operating system that is effectively as good or better than the two leading OSs with massive billion dollar corporations behind them. That’s unfathomably impressive, deserving of all this praise and, of course, should have wider adoption.

      However

      I’ve spent my entire life on Windows, my professional career on Mac OS, and the last dozen or so years with my phones running Android. I absolutely do not have the patience and free time to become fluent in another fucking operating system. And I’ve tried. On at least two occasions, I’ve attempted to run a media server on Linux. The experience was utterly fucking miserable and made me want to give up on technology and live in the woods. I have no doubt that I’d have a different outcome with better resources or more time to learn properly, but I’m done. Hopefully the successes of Linux drive change for the better in the other two. Linux doesn’t need 100% adoption to make an impact on the way Microsoft and Apple develop their own systems.

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          There is a lot to unpack, but you know exactly what they meant. The operating system people refer to as Linux or GNU/Linux or whatever is not the same thing as Android; if, under the hood, it has an older version of the Linux kernel. There is no command line required on an android phone for one.

          Although, you are technically correct. The best kind.

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            There is no command line required on an android phone for one.

            Generally not required on modern desktop distros either, unless you want to tinker or have poorly supported hardware. Package management, including kernel updates, binary drivers, etc. can all be done in the GUI.

            Then again, I spend most of my time in the terminal because I like it.

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              Then again, I spend most of my time in the terminal because I like it.

              Same. And I spend more time setting things up then using them.

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                  Yes, it is. I used some derivation of microwave a long time ago on some forum or another, but it’s a common word so I threw it in Google Translate and started using this one other places.