fuck it why not also Korea and Japan and Mongolia and Vietnam and
Because that might mean doing something, and not just having a totem to direct the hate of the people against, the all-powerful, cruel west, who has humiliated China for centuries, even causing the deaths of 50 million Chinese (at the hands of the CCP during the great leap forward).
Stupid politics for stupid people, a common story the world around.
who has humiliated China for centuries
A century.
It was the century of humiliation. Not centuries of humiliation.
Oh, good to hear they either got over the opium wars, or don’t consider the Great Leap Forward to be that humiliating.
The Opium wars were part of the century of humiliation.
In mainland China, the century of humiliation is considered to have ended in 1949 with the founding of the People’s Republic of China. In Taiwan, the century of humiliation is considered to have ended in 1945, when the ROC became a founding member of the United Nations with a permanent seat on the UN security council. (That seat was transferred to the PRC in 1971.)
I mean, as a westerner, Id think losing a war against sparrows would be pretty humiliating too.
You’re not giving the birds enough credit here. Only two wars have been waged against them and they’re 2-0. Fuckers know what they’re doing.
The assumptions of how china thinks in this thread are hilarious, so many people just making stuff up because it allows them to feel superior.
Especially you throwing big numbers around which you clearly don’t have any concept of what they represent, you saw memes that china killed 50 million people and instead of having any curiosity you just use it as a crude cudgel and swing meaninglessly. It’s sad but also kind of funny to me, if you had any concept of history you could have written a post that makes sense but instead you just want to find an excuse to call people stupid - is that not ironic to you, calling out people for stupid politics when you know full well you’ve just invented your argument based on zero actual understanding of what you’re talking about? Isn’t that a far better example of stupid politics for stupid people?
There’s plenty of good reasons to call this statement as its presented stupid but you missed them all and went for something stupid.
Wow thank you for this constructive and informative comment. I learned so much about the knowledge that you have on how the CCP works because you took the time to tell me what you wish everyone would know, instead of just calling everyone except you stupid without expanding on your point.
…oh wait
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Oh, it will get territory from Russia. As soon as Putin has no resources left to sell besides land and people. And China won’t take drunk and depressed people. Has enough of such.
China imports slave labor from N Korea, to make up supply shortages from over cleansing Uyghurs. Russia is using their slave population as cannon fodder right now, so I can’t see them having many people left to trade.
Sauce?
On what?
Literally the entire first sentence.
Here you go. Link
Russia is facing a demographic crisis because Putin’s a goddamn moron. Their population is shrinking (thank fuck). If they were to relinquish land willingly (which I cannot imagine), it would never be any region with significant population.
There was a giant drop in the number of men in the Soviet Union during WWII. This has had “echos” in their population pyramid every 20 years, where there’s a shortfall of new babies being born. They never had a baby boom the way the US did.
This affects all the old Soviet states, including Ukraine.
All that is to say that Putin was a real goddamn idiot by launching a war right in the middle of one of these echos when they’re already having population issues.
85% of Russia’s territory is effectively empty. Almost their entire population lives to the west of the Urals. Any territory China would be interested in would be nearly empty.
Further to my point. Edit: sorry, I made a point elsewhere in this thread that China probably sees no value in Russian land. Nor in Russian people, for that matter. China has no dearth of either. Edit 2: out of curiosity, I looked up the population of Primorsky Krai, which was ceded to Russia by China. It’s 1.9 million, or about 0.1 % of China’s population. So there’s no value in that addition to China’s population. On the other hand, there would be at least some benefit from ports on the Sea of Japan. The better to threaten neighbors and deplete fisheries.
0.1% could be significant if it’s like astrophysicists or cardiothoracic surgeons. No. It’s a bunch of Ivans that can’t stop drinking spoiled potato water. Don’t even know how to fix a dishwasher, let alone something impottsnt. Only good for lifting heavy objects and falling down.
I have been wondering since this war started, what’s preventing China from just taking ALL of Russia. Like, 2021? That’s Russia. 2025? That’s China now.
Russia would never threaten China with nukes, because 1) China ALSO has nukes, and 2) China has been the only thing keeping Russia afloat recently.
So what if something like 9,000,000 soldiers all collectively invaded Russia from one central entrypoint as far east as Chinas border is along Russias, thus splitting Russias military in a two way war.
The United States wouldn’t get involved because that would mean they’re helping Russia. But also, who else WOULD get involved? Putin is lucky that China doesn’t have ME as it’s head of state. Because from my perspective, it’s free real estate that nobody wants to defend, being occupied by a tiger army, and it’s land is full of resources that if China were to monopolize, would grant them a grip around the balls of the rest of the world.
But it would have to be a scorched earth kind of invasion. The kind that pisses off basically everyone, because it leaves every single Russian, military, or citizen, dead. They’d have to come in, take everything, and kill everything. Take the land. The only thing they have to make sure of, is that they DON’T fight Ukraine. They tell Ukraine “We won’t invade your space, but Russia is ours”. And Ukraine would probably take that deal.
But it seems China is very VERY averse to war right now. Which tells me, they aren’t ready for a war.
Because the real world is not a Civ game.
Believe it or not, China isn’t Russia. I can’t believe I’m in the position of defending the PRC, but the PRC doesn’t want the international order destroyed by reckless and unrestrained warfare. They just want to replace the West as top dog in that order. They’ll bully and bluster, just as the US does when the carrot doesn’t work, but, Taiwan aside, they don’t have any desire to start an expensive and pointless war.
Right? Why do civilizations fight wars anyway? If not flat out colonialism and dick measuring, then It’s usually for resources, maybe protection for cultural exclaves if it serves the nation’s geopolitical interest.
All that is to say, Russians are not Chinese. And I don’t think many Eastern Russians would welcome the switch. So, China would be instigating a lot of strife for minimal gains.
Taiwan on the other hand, I can at least understand. I don’t agree with the stance, not in the least, primarily because I believe democracy is superior to communism. Nevertheless, if I had my adversaries 100 miles off my border and their existence hampered me economically and militarily, then I absolutely would subjugate them in any way possible.
Because first of all they would then have to care for all of Russia’s very nationalistic citizens. Second, why would they do anything while they can just sit and watch Russia piss away their entire economy and military?
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Look dude, Imma be blunt, but this take has got to be one of the dumbest takes I think I’ve ever seen regarding politics.
You really think there wouldn’t be any consequences at all for just culling 100 million people off the face of the Earth? That’s more than every single death in World War II.
Russia and the world is lucky to not have you as the leader of China because frankly your username matches the quality of the take.
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They can just take with nearly no resistance if they just let it all collapse. Also, they don’t have to put their actual combat readiness to the test.
Russia is an important geopolitical ally for China. Tension between them is not advantageous at this time.
Also, Americans love dunking on the Russian army, and while it maybe wasn’t as formidable as we thought, it’s still significant. It’s not as if it would be totally free.
Uhh, they’re getting dunked on by their own version of Canada.
It would be a wipe, Russia has nowhere near enough people to defend siberia, kthey can’t even defend a few hundred miles south of moscow.
So how many times did the US invade another country and won within a three days “special operation” time?
Winning has never been the problem, keeping the peace has been.
But running in and clearing out opposing forces on the field? We’re amazing at that.
The only forces Russians are good at beating are civilians when they’re driving tanks.
So that’s how you guys completely whiped out the Taliban /s
We utterly destroyed them, but then they just ran and hid for decades in the mountains, and short of blowing up the mountains there’s not a lot you can do.
Course, they killed 20x as many Russians, so at least our score isn’t as bad. And the Russians were trying to wipe them out.
And the Viet Cong.
what’s preventing China from just taking ALL of Russia
What for? Russia is already drifting into becoming a China’s satellite state. Besides, there’s another resource-rich, sparsely populated, 99.9% Asian country right by their border, with barely any security and which would’ve been part of China already if not for some weeb. If they are going for conquest, Mongolia would be the second target right after Taiwan, but attacking it would tip off Russia to go all in on defense.
Russia would never threaten China with nukes, because 1) China ALSO has nukes, and 2) China has been the only thing keeping Russia afloat recently.
The problem here is the amount of them and population density. Just one bomb dropped randomly somewhere in China would probably cause more casualties than the entire Chinese nuclear arsenal targeting the most populous Russian cities. And Russia has an order of magnitude more…
Mongolia is a democracy and NATO partner there’s a chance that the west would actually care. Mostly though neither China or Russia are even trying to touch it because they prefer having a buffer state in between them that is not aligned to either, but has the diplomatic wherewithal to have good relationships with both.
Also it’s a fucking desert plateau. There’s a reason there’s so few Mongolians. Few things grow there and practically nothing grows well, and there already is quite an issue with overgrazing because animal husbandry is pretty much the only thing you can actually do on the land. And who is to say that copper is going to be cheaper after you conquer the land? It’s not like Mongolia would be unwilling to export. Even if you could do it for cheaper, still probably not worth the political headache. And sanctions.
Mongolia is a democracy and NATO partner
Seeing how they were happy to meet Putin the other day, it didn’t look like. It was like watching a dog meeting his master after a long time
They were also happy to not give permits for the Power of Siberia pipeline. They’re 3.5m people on a gigantic piece of land right in between Russia and China, I don’t blame them for appeasing: Their very existence hinges on convincing two authoritarian states that they’re not a puppet of the other. In this case, also convincing them that they’re not a puppet of what they’re calling their third neighbours. They’re doomed to neutrality.
Criticise any other country for not executing that arrest warrant, or at least uninviting Putin, heck while you’re at it criticise a couple of alleged democracies that they’re not a signatory: But not Mongolia. They have damn good reasons to not go through with it and as far as I’m aware, that’s actually covered in the Rome statute. They’re pulling the national security card and they’re right about it.
Holy shit. Only 3.5 million people in Mongolia! I had no idea.
Blime the bloody baron’s bio is a ride
You’re right, nobody wants to defend it. There’s nothing there worth defending. I mean, there’s Vladivostok, but it’s not really worth going to war over. They could take a sliver of land at the Russia/NK border so that they could build a port, but I’m sure they have no issue with river traffic as it is, or just trucking into North Korea to use one of their ports. I’m sure China funded their construction anyway.
Russia would never threaten China with nukes, because 1) China ALSO has nukes, and 2) China has been the only thing keeping Russia afloat recently.
But it would have to be a scorched earth kind of invasion. The kind that pisses off basically everyone, because it leaves every single Russian, military, or citizen, dead. They’d have to come in, take everything, and kill everything. Take the land.
First of all, if you’re being invaded by an army planning to genocide your entire population, then you have no reason not to use every weapon in your arsenal. If the options are A: China kills 100% of your populace or B: Launch nukes and even 1% of your populace survives whatever follows, then B is the most rational choice.
Secondly, there’s no reason to assume that states will make rational decisions to begin with. I’d say the current state of affairs in Ukraine is a very good example of that in action. So even if China wasn’t planning to genocide all of Russia, even if it was some kind of “benevolent” invasion where they were going to tiptoe around the flower beds, gently pry Putin out of the Kremlin, and basically leave everything the same except that now Russians pay for groceries with renminbi instead of rubles… there’s still every reason to imagine that Putin and his top brass would still launch nukes on the mere principle of the thing.
So no, let’s not glibly plan for a fast forward on nuclear Armageddon, thank you very much.
