Since Wrestlemania there’s been nothing but stories about John Cena winning an amazing 17th title, blah blah blah… It’s a “History making moment”, yadda yadda yadda…

Like…of course he did. It’s the storyline. It’s quite literally “in the script”.

This isn’t an achievement. Why is this in my sports news next to last night’s hockey scores instead of next to an article about who was the bitchiest on the lastest episode of Real Housewives?

I get it. I loved Wrestling growing up. Back when we all WERE pretending it was real; Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, etc… But I thought at some point they steered into the whole “entertainment” aspect when most of us grew the hell up and clued into the absurdity of it all.

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    It’s a soap opera for men. Sure the storyline is made up, but people still like being entertained.

    Note, I am assuming the match was good. I haven’t watch wrestling in a while, but some of those old matches are still fun to watch.

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      I’ve heard the soap opera comparison before. But I think “circus” is technically more accurate. You’ve got these very obvious professional athletes performing a well-rehearsed routine that is physically demanding and dramatically delivered.

      Like, would you call a tightrope walker or a trapeze artist “fake”? If a dozen clowns pile out of a car and start performing back flips and somersaults and climbing into human pyramids and spraying one another with seltzer bottles, would you dismiss it as an obviously scripted display?

      Would you go to a Harlem Globetrotters game and complain when they pull out a springboard and start doing stunt slam dunks?

      It’s a show! It doesn’t need to be competitive in order to be fun.

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        Yeah from a physical aspect yes you are correct but wrestling has the storylines that the circus doesn’t. The Jerry springer like drama and feuds that people really get invested in with the same level of chair throwing.

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          wrestling has the storylines that the circus doesn’t

          Every Cirque-du-Soleil I’ve been to has had a storyline.

          The Jerry Springer like drama and feuds that people really get invested in with the same level of chair throwing.

          There’s a ton of hype that builds up around the actual events, in no small part because the events themselves are physically exhausting and the producers need to fill hours of time with minutes of match.

          But we see the exact same kind of shit during the Olympics. Two talking heads reading out an athlete’s life story for half an hour, right before you get to see a three minute floor routine or a sixteen second bobsled run.

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        Would you go to a Harlem Globetrotters game and complain when they pull out a springboard and start doing stunt slam dunks?

        I did, so Ethan “Bubblegum” Tate made fun of me, I became verbally abusive, and then they asked me to leave.

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          Honestly a reasonable reaction from Bubblegum. Why go to a Globetrotters game and then complain about them doing Globetrotters stuff?

          Would you watch a documentary and then complain about a silky British voiceover? Or a soap opera and complain about the hazy look of it? Or a musical when you can see the actor scurrying away after “dying” (hint, they don’t actually die)

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        Circus comparison is good but I prefer drag race. It’s a bunch of (generally) men in costumes and make up performing very well-practiced routines for the sole purpose of entertainment, with one rigged winner at the end.

        Maybe wrestling fans wouldn’t like that comparison as much.

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          I’ve never seen ‘drag race’ used in this context, and I was wondering how you were about to compare drag racing (like with cars) with wrestling.

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            Lol yeah sorry I should’ve said drag queen competitions. What you described happens to me all the time in reverse when people talk about car drag racing. I watch too much RuPaul.

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        The outcome of the match is predetermined while the participants pretend that it isn’t. That is why there are constant arguments about whether or not it’s “fake”.

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          The outcome of the match is predetermined while the participants pretend that it isn’t.

          The adventure is in the journey, not the destination. I don’t care whether you win or you lose when I came to see two roided out giants do backflip kicks into one another’s torsos while their friends spray silly string to distract the combatants from the sidelines.

          That is why there are constant arguments about whether or not it’s “fake”.

          There is absolutely no question that the outcome of the matches is predetermined, in the same way that there is absolutely no doubt that the Rat King is going to get killed by the Nutcracker at the ballet. But both wrestling and ballet are athletic endeavors.

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            I agree that most of them are athletic, but they simply aren’t competing in an athletic competition.

            I think your comparison to the Globetrotters is on point. In the ballet and other examples, the difference to me is that they’re not pretending to be in a ballet competition while dancing the ballet.

            There’s no doubt that what most wrestlers do requires skill, talent, and athleticism but it’s “fake” in that what you’re watching isn’t an authentic athletic competition despite the people involved pretending that it is.

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              In the ballet and other examples, the difference to me is that they’re not pretending to be in a ballet competition while dancing the ballet.

              In the Nutcracker, at least, they’re pretending to fence, in a choreographed dance. A first-time naive viewer who came out of the show offended when they discover skill at fencing has nothing to do with whether the dancers playing the Nutcracker or the Rat King wins would sound silly.

              I do think that the kayfabe is what sets wrestling apart from more traditional performance art. The carnival-barker lying-to-your-face aspect of the performance is what makes it feel extra circus-y. But when you accept that the kayfabe is just part of the performance, you stop feeling offended by it and start recognizing degrees of commitment to the bit as part of the artform.

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                In the Nutcracker, at least, they’re pretending to fence, in a choreographed dance.

                And no one writes stories about who won the fencing match.

                Wrestling takes things to a ridiculous level compared to all other performances.

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                  And no one writes stories about who won the fencing match.

                  Because it’s the same story that’s been running for the last century. Pro-Wrestling shows are just stories you haven’t seen before. And reviews of new performances are written about regularly.

                  Wrestling takes things to a ridiculous level

                  Sure. The exaggeration and the very deliberate kayfabe is a big part of the appeal. But then you see that in Cosplay and at the Renaissance Faire all the time. Running onto the tournament grounds and shouting “These aren’t real knights! They aren’t really jousting!!” is still considered gauche. And it breezes past the skills you need to ride a horse, maintain a kit, and put on the display without hurting yourself or your partner.

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      Meh, it was okay I suppose.

      Cena doesn’t play a heel very well, and it’s kind of shitty that they used crotch shots in both of the WM main events.