Have anti immigration people ever stopped to think about why others risk their lives and choose to leave everything they know to come to a land of better opportunity? I’m all for doing it legally and having immigrants pay taxes, but trying to kill them to stop it is ridiculous. America is easily the richest country on the planet, and has more than enough resources to help these people.
They’re mad a new immigrant may be successful, when they should be furious at the ultra wealthy for hoarding all the money.
Have anti immigration people ever stopped to think >
No.
I mean if you have a 10 minute conversation with some native French folks they will give you a lot of really good arguments against allowing open borders for immigrants. Germany has the same problem.
Totally agree with you, we should not be allowing any disgusting French or German people into the US.
This is a great point. However, let me offer this counterpoint. Racism
Don’t forget the jobs created by the murder buoy industry.
That would require empathy.
They don’t even hurt the economy overall. The people coming over are typically of working age, generally motivated and commit serious crimes at a rate less than half of native citizens. Texas has really good stats on this. The only stat illegal immigrants rate higher are moving violations. Possibly because they may not have licences or as much experience driving.
I’ve heard the arguments. It’s to take our jobs and our money. Would they like to do the jobs they claim are being stolen? No. But it’s great opportunity for young entrepreneurs, like lawn mowing! Are their kids going to do that? No. They’ll probably try YouTuber and Twitch long before anything else.
Don’t forget that the immigrants are simultaneously lazy, living entirely off of welfare, and stealing hard working Americans’ jobs. They’re Schrödinger’s Immigrants!
They’re not sending their best but they’ll take your job! (We’re saying you’re worse than them but you don’t realize it).
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Immigrants do pay taxes. Even the undocumented ones. They don’t get the same benefit as the rest of us though. So most of the time we are taking advantage of them.
If you don’t like that source there are plenty of others you can Google too.
It’s crazy to think they don’t pay taxes. It just doesn’t make logical sense. How are they going to avoid it? The company paying them isn’t going to be able to just hide that, so they have to register it and the taxes get paid.
Most of them are misinformed, if the knew what the US was really like they’d probably sail to Canada. Being the richest doesn’t mean jack shit when there’s nothing invested in the power classes.
You’re describing the average conservative. The people who push the view that immigration is ruining the US aren’t average conservatives. They’re the ones who lie to conservatives to spin them into a rage in order to manipulate their vote. Those people are not themselves conservatives, but figureheads that collect a nice pretty penny from the rich folk to make sure the anger of their base never turns against the class whose fault everything actually is.
In short, as long as conservatives keep letting their talking heads tell them who to be mad at, they never will be furious at the ultra wealthy. And that’s by design.
The people who push the view that immigration is ruining the US aren’t average conservatives
Yes, they are.
The big problem with that comment is most of them are also saying immigrants are taking our jobs, but they won’t work them because the money isn’t good enough for the actual work that they do.
And these business owners complaining about this will turn around and hire them because they are willing to work for less than minimum wage increasing the businesses profit.
All in all, if you look at it reasonably, the ultimate problem is created by business owners wanting to make more money and to do that push slave labor wages that only the immigrants are willing to take.
I do like hiring illegals, they are good workers and never ask for too much. If they do kick up any fuss you can always just call ICE
Maybe I framed that statement wrong. Of course they are the ones that say it the loudest. But it’s not them who introduced that mindset into conservative crowds. Just like the recent flare up of transphobia. They hear it from the top that trans folk are molesting children, or that immigrants are taking jobs, or whatever the thing is that keeps their ire off of the rich, and they spread it around their own circles because they need an out group to villify.
You haven’t noticed that hatred for these groups tend to be a conveniently-timed deflection from actual problems?
Getting the average Democrat riled up and angry at the average Republican is also by design. As long as the working class is mad at itself, it isn’t looking at the ruling class as the problem.
The ruling class is absolutely the source of the problem.
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That would require them to realize how much the US has destabilized Central America over the past century.
Conservativism is not an ideology, it is a disease of the mind, a failure to see beyond your own experiences. The conservative wants to preserrve the aspects of the status quo that directly benefits themselves, and vehemently demand a chance to anything that doesn’t. For as long as there have been conservatives, they have had shifting priorities to suit the in-group.
That’s why they don’t stop to think about how others are affected. Others are outside the in-group, and are therefore bad. Anything bad that happens to them is permitted, possibly with some rare regret, but the only priority is the self.
That’s why the conservative demonizes education as elitism, expertise as arrogance. It is why the conservative looks for scapegoats and outsiders, and why they seem unable to perfeive their own hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy for a conservative, because the value does not exist outside the self. So whatever the self wants is good when the self wants it, and anything else is bad. If the conservative wants to subjugate women and punish them for sex, they will prohibit abortions for all. If the conservative wants an abortion the very next day, they will seek it out and lament how difficult it was for them. They will not change their opinion, anymore than a ship adrift in the wind changes its heading.
A rational person might have blind spots where they don’t realize their beliefs are harmful. A conservative person will see the harm and decide that it is good, because that is the path that they want and everything else is an obstacle.
Conservatives are too stupid to understand this argument.
We don’t even spend the money we have on our own citizens. It’s not about having resources, it’s about spending the resources we have on what’s important, which apparently is guns and ammo, oil, and the military industrial complex.
Cruelty is the point, it’s practically a virtue. And that cruelty also drives down wages so it’s a message that gets plenty of air time.
Good. But watch them refuse to do it. They would rather kill people.
Yep, they’re Good Christians who believe in the “sanctity of life”.
Sanctity of the life they choose.
Murderers gonna murder.
They’ll go to jail for contempt if they refuse. I’m honestly surprised a preliminary injunction would require this though.
Edit: they’ve already filed an appeal on that order (interlocutory appeal) today https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67630985/united-states-v-abbott/
Judge pretty much says the state isn’t even offering a defense so
Defendants shall, by September 15, 2023, reposition, at Defendants’ expense, and in coordination with the United States Army Corps of Engineers, all buoys, anchors, and other related materials composing the floating barrier placed by Texas in the Rio Grande in the vicinity of Eagle Pass, Texas to the bank of the Rio Grande on the Texas side of the river
Who goes to jail? The governor? The State Senate? The head of Texas Border Patrol? AFAIK when it comes to agencies, there are no teeth - are there?
It’s the US v Abbott after all. Gov. Faubus was justifiably afraid that Pres. Eisenhower was going to have him locked up after not complying with a court order to desegregate the schools and caved before the 101st airborne arrived.
Don’t try to cross the dangerous border that warns you that it’s a dangerous border and you don’t have to worry about dying. Even without the buoys telling you that it’s dangerous people have drowned before.
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Many of these immigrants are crossing other countries where they would be safe if they stopped there. Instead they choose to continue on to the US. At that point they are economic migrants, who are trying to skip the queue.
It’s the same here in Australia. Instead of stopping in a safe country in SEA, they make dangerous boat voyages because they believe they’ll be better off financially. We turn those boats around or keep them offshore, where at anytime they could go somewhere other than Australia but they don’t want to because they want to try and seek welfare here.
I have no sympathy for them. Let in the people who apply properly to come here. Not those who try to sneak in.
Some have other options. So your solution is to condemn all of them? No sympathy, even for those who are fleeing death? You’ll let them all die because you think some people might take advantage?
Why not have a system where you let people in, give them temporary safety, and evaluate their situation before deciding whether to admit them or return them to their country of origin?
Maybe you like that some of them die? Is that a benefit of the current system?
See, this is how I know you don’t know what you’re talking about because they’re not safe if they “just stop there”.
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Quick, somebody get this guy a “source” for the US repeatedly destabilizing Latin American governments and supporting paramilitary guerrilla groups over the course of decades
And why don’t they just stop in Mexico? If they’re fleeing Honduras they’ve already achieved their goal.
Because the U.S. has always taken in asylum seekers. Why are Hondurans any different from Somalis or Hmong?
We can only take so many and crossing the border illegally should mean they are sent back. Do it right or go home. We have the right and the responsibility to protect our borders.
Feel privileged you aren’t so desperate as to take such a risk.
They’re not stupid. Their other options are worse, or they wouldn’t come here. If drug cartels (largely funded by American consumers) came for your family, are you telling me me you wouldn’t go wherever you needed to to protect them?
Believe or not there are things worse than downing in the Rio Grande, which is why they try it anyway.
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They’re not designed for cruelty and murder they’re barriers in the water that’s it. If you have trouble swimming and you drown because you cannot get past the barrier in the water designed to keep you from getting past it, that’s your goddamn fault.
The blades between the buoys and netting underneath do in fact indicate that they’re designed for cruelty at the bare minimum. Also, the Rio Grande doesn’t just belong to Texas. It’s a federal border with another sovereign nation. Texas can’t just act cruel there unilaterally.
The "blades"between the bouys are no different than barbed wire, and the nets are obvious to allow marine life to move but keep people from easily swimming under. It’s designed as a barrier and so it includes basic barrier designs.
You know what? Let’s call this what it is. You being a trollish bigot.
If you called it what it is you would be calling it correct. There was no trolling or bigotry. Merely explaining reality.
Aah, the ol’ “It’s your fault someone is violating your fundamental rights, you dirty immigrant” response.
One does not wrap barrels in razor wire, install saw blades and nets designed to entangle unless one is intending to kill people. The governor here is violating literal Constitutional law and the fact that Biden didn’t just have him jailed pending trial is a fucking travesty.
They were not saw blades. They’re pointy disks that were intended to prevent people climbing through the low places, and nets designed to allow marine life through but not people are not “designed to entangle”. It was fit for purpose and that purpose was keeping people from illegally crossing the water border. And what fundamental rights? They basically threw their own lives away trying to do something expressly forbidden.
Texas has no authority here. Funny how you’re fine with that illegal act, but preserving life? Nah, fuck those people right?
But keep showing your bigotry. No one is fooled.
Still illegal to cross the border, dude.
The destabilization of Mexico and Central and South America is our fault. It’s our moral responsibility to help these people flee the problems we created.
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Do you own your own house? Because I do. A nice two-story home on four acres of land that is mine.
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Idk I feel like they should give them independence already. Cannot have Texas problemas if you don’t have Texas. And it will destroy itself in a couple of weeks at most this way.
Texas has a huge individual gdp and is an important port. Build the residents a floating island and push that fucker off into the sea once they get on it.
“ Last month, two bodies were found near the barriers, with one stuck in the razor buoys. Their identities and cause of death are under investigation.”
Saved you the click.
A judge did not learn about that and make this ruling. The ruling is a result of a lawsuit by the federal government, for lack of permits. Not because people died. Democrats aren’t your friend either.
The ruling is an early victory for the Biden administration, after it sued Texas in July arguing that officials had failed to secure the necessary permits to install the barriers.
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