Vice President JD Vance announced on Wednesday that the Trump administration would "temporarily halt" over $200 million in Medicare funds for Minnesota in an effort to address fraud in the state.
The number of people who leap up to blame anyone except the people that voted for Trump is fascinating to me. Objectively the people that voted him in, and somehow entirely blameless.
Nobody says Trump voters are blameless. That’s a straw man.
But Trump voters lack some of the moral culpability of those who knew better and still didn’t vote, or threw their vote away on Jill Stein or whatever.
There is no point in trying to shame MAGA voters for bringing about what is happening now, because they like it. What can you say to that?
On the other hand, leftists who didn’t vote against him feel that shame deeply, as evidenced by the fact that they cry like little bitches whenever you remind them.
On the other hand, leftists who didn’t vote against him feel that shame deeply, as evidenced by the fact that they cry like little bitches whenever you remind them.
Imagine having an issue with 3rd party voters and yet, election cycle after election cycle, refusing to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state. You dont get to complain about a problem you refuse to fix.
Pfft. The ones who are still proud of themselves at this point I lump in with the Trumpers. Most of ya’ll are just reflexive contrarians who would never vote for anyone who might win. We didn’t lose your vote, because you aren’t possible to win over.
And those of you who speak this way about individuals who protested their votes seem incapable of seeing the bigger picture; that the reality is that people want to vote for a principled leader who believes in something, and the Democratic leadership failed us in 2024, just like they failed us in 2016. And even after winning in 2020, they still a managed to fail us by failing to uphold international law and failing to jail an insurrectionist pig that’s now in the white house.
They failed us because they believe in nothing, and that’s why people protested their vote. Wake the fuck up and focus on primaries in 2026, then the general, and so on, and prevent this from happening again.
Everyone wants to vote for a principled leader, but there are those of us who aren’t willing to give up the tiny bit of power we have just to try and prove a point.
This is a 2 party system, regardless of lip service. Kamala wasn’t my first choice for president but she was the only one. It was her or the other fucker full stop. So, I did everything I could to elect the one who we had some hope of controlling. The dems showed they ultimately listen to their voters with enough pressure when they ditched Biden, the other guy we all knew what was going to happen.
So, to all those protest voters, I’m super happy for you and your maga companions, feeling so proud of yourselves while the country burns.
First, as someone who voted for Kamala despite the noise of protest, and as someone who shared your same petty sentiment during the initial shock of the loss (the longer you hold it, the more pathetic because of how little it matters now), I wonder if that’s really the best you can come up with in defense of Democrats during 2024? After failing to admit it was their fault and not the voters? Yeah, they got rid of Biden, but not because of their constituency, but because it was threatening their positions of power as career politicians. They squandered the momentum and revitalization of the party when putting in Kamala after they had her mimic Biden’s campaign and failing to admit that the Gaza Genocide was a major proponent for her loss after the fact, to the point that they hid it officially from the public.
Besides blaming it on individual protest voters, and thinking that was enough to really make a difference, especially after knowing this information now (some real dummy shit if you do), you’re going to discount the number of disaffected, cynical part of the population who didn’t vote because they don’t believe in our system anymore? Since the 90’s or 80’s even? How do you explain the record numbers for showing up for someone like Mamdani to vote, who had explicit beliefs and prpgressive, populist policies, who’s approval rating is going up because he’s implementing those policies? Showing the world what he left flank of politics is really capable of?
You fail to understand the real sociological implications of the failure of Democrats, and you’re delusional if you think the voting for the lesser evil is enough of a standard to motivate people to vote.
I agree, it’s multi faceted, and yeah, the dems suck too. I just feel people have agency in this, and sometime, when faced with a difficult decision, adults need to make the best choice. I’m a parent and have to make all kinds of shitty decisions, often involving actual shit. But I’m an adult, and I know that a shitty decision that ultimately supports a good outcome, is still the right one.
I’m 100% in agreement that the dems failed, but so did the electorate.
We aren’t going to get to have any elections that count because of protest votes. Meanwhile the number of current and upcoming dead kids from loss of usaid alone is well into 6 figures. We killed both children and democracy in America because we are stupid.
You insisted the the US needed to support genocide. You got your way. It cost the Democrats the presidency, because a Democrat could never win being pro genocide.
You won. You got your way. This was the outcome you insisted on.
No I’m not. I’m making the point that neither candidate was anti-genocide, and that Democrats lost because they thought they could bully their voters into voting for a genocide. Someguy3 things voters are like a horse you can just buggy whip into doing what you want, and I don’t agree with that.
I’m probably the most vocal, most persistent, and most consistent voice on lemmy who has been saying exactly what the recent news around the DNC 2024 post-mortem is also saying: Democrats could not win as a pro genocide party.
I argue, and have argued, and will continue to argue, that you can-not move electorates over the course of an election cycle. Elections are 4-12 month cycles. That’s not enough time to change the hearts and minds of millions of individual people. I think its electorally illiterate to blame voters for how they voted. Your job in politics is to understand what voters think and feel, and why they think and feel what they do, and adjust your campaign and strategy to operate with in the real conditions of an electorate.
Any one trying to paint the election as a binary, or trying to operate their rhetoric on individual commenters or voters, instead of the actual person who could make the necessary changes (eg, Biden or Harris), they are apologists for genocide, and at this point, I consider them to be as pro-fascist as MAGA.
The candidates job isn’t to teach you that allowing Hitler to come to power is a worst case scenario nor is it their fault if you fail to realize that. The candidate got one vote just like you
I think a bunch of those voters have shown “dont care who just vote blue” has run its course, they will no longer prop up the centrists candidates and they want a proper left. And yes they think this sucks,but they sort of saw the party going to be this in 30 years (as we know Regan would have loved to have the democrats you currently have) So let the orange man win and maybe switch there base into more conscious voters or be the ones who vote blue no matter who. But giving those that have a place at the table that have been running right hasnt worked, and when the other team is up to bat, its still shit on the common people and corpo money wins. Until the law makers start doing something about that then they will find new people/parties/ (worst of all) not voting (because by checking out you are giving them [could be either party here] what they want, they can show numbers back them [not really with the GOP, because if america truly was one person one vote as they say, they would do away with the electoral collage and they could really have the people vote.).
I don’t expect strong reading comprehension from pro-genocide apologists who did the work to get fascists elected. If a scrape a penny and go look at your comment history out, help cuz out, what will I find?
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
The number of people who leap up to blame anyone except the people that voted for Trump is fascinating to me. Objectively the people that voted him in, and somehow entirely blameless.
Nobody says Trump voters are blameless. That’s a straw man.
But Trump voters lack some of the moral culpability of those who knew better and still didn’t vote, or threw their vote away on Jill Stein or whatever.
There is no point in trying to shame MAGA voters for bringing about what is happening now, because they like it. What can you say to that?
On the other hand, leftists who didn’t vote against him feel that shame deeply, as evidenced by the fact that they cry like little bitches whenever you remind them.
Nailed it.
Oh, like me!
Imagine being proud of this. Pathetic.
Imagine having an issue with 3rd party voters and yet, election cycle after election cycle, refusing to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state. You dont get to complain about a problem you refuse to fix.
Yeah dude that’s what I did.
Some of you really need to lighten up about voting third party.
Why would you vote for a party which has never and will never hold federal office?
Pfft. The ones who are still proud of themselves at this point I lump in with the Trumpers. Most of ya’ll are just reflexive contrarians who would never vote for anyone who might win. We didn’t lose your vote, because you aren’t possible to win over.
And those of you who speak this way about individuals who protested their votes seem incapable of seeing the bigger picture; that the reality is that people want to vote for a principled leader who believes in something, and the Democratic leadership failed us in 2024, just like they failed us in 2016. And even after winning in 2020, they still a managed to fail us by failing to uphold international law and failing to jail an insurrectionist pig that’s now in the white house.
They failed us because they believe in nothing, and that’s why people protested their vote. Wake the fuck up and focus on primaries in 2026, then the general, and so on, and prevent this from happening again.
Everyone wants to vote for a principled leader, but there are those of us who aren’t willing to give up the tiny bit of power we have just to try and prove a point.
This is a 2 party system, regardless of lip service. Kamala wasn’t my first choice for president but she was the only one. It was her or the other fucker full stop. So, I did everything I could to elect the one who we had some hope of controlling. The dems showed they ultimately listen to their voters with enough pressure when they ditched Biden, the other guy we all knew what was going to happen.
So, to all those protest voters, I’m super happy for you and your maga companions, feeling so proud of yourselves while the country burns.
First, as someone who voted for Kamala despite the noise of protest, and as someone who shared your same petty sentiment during the initial shock of the loss (the longer you hold it, the more pathetic because of how little it matters now), I wonder if that’s really the best you can come up with in defense of Democrats during 2024? After failing to admit it was their fault and not the voters? Yeah, they got rid of Biden, but not because of their constituency, but because it was threatening their positions of power as career politicians. They squandered the momentum and revitalization of the party when putting in Kamala after they had her mimic Biden’s campaign and failing to admit that the Gaza Genocide was a major proponent for her loss after the fact, to the point that they hid it officially from the public.
Besides blaming it on individual protest voters, and thinking that was enough to really make a difference, especially after knowing this information now (some real dummy shit if you do), you’re going to discount the number of disaffected, cynical part of the population who didn’t vote because they don’t believe in our system anymore? Since the 90’s or 80’s even? How do you explain the record numbers for showing up for someone like Mamdani to vote, who had explicit beliefs and prpgressive, populist policies, who’s approval rating is going up because he’s implementing those policies? Showing the world what he left flank of politics is really capable of?
You fail to understand the real sociological implications of the failure of Democrats, and you’re delusional if you think the voting for the lesser evil is enough of a standard to motivate people to vote.
I agree, it’s multi faceted, and yeah, the dems suck too. I just feel people have agency in this, and sometime, when faced with a difficult decision, adults need to make the best choice. I’m a parent and have to make all kinds of shitty decisions, often involving actual shit. But I’m an adult, and I know that a shitty decision that ultimately supports a good outcome, is still the right one.
I’m 100% in agreement that the dems failed, but so did the electorate.
We aren’t going to get to have any elections that count because of protest votes. Meanwhile the number of current and upcoming dead kids from loss of usaid alone is well into 6 figures. We killed both children and democracy in America because we are stupid.
Well, I could be convinced to vote Democrat in the general if the Democrat candidate is themselves a reflexive contrarian. Or a gasp socialist!
But with the current slurry the DNC is producing, I suppose you’re right that I’m nigh impossible to win over, yes.
Most of them are a lost cause. I don’t think anyone is saying they are blameless.
Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Thankfully we know how to solve the issue: give into the voters demands and stop supporting Israel/ a genocide.
You did it, you saved Gaza! (The war was going to time out regardless, it wasn’t Trump that ended it.)
No one believes you any more. And history will remember you for what you are.
In the end, I guess you got what you wanted. The genocide supporting candidate won.
That doesn’t even make any sense.
You insisted the the US needed to support genocide. You got your way. It cost the Democrats the presidency, because a Democrat could never win being pro genocide.
You won. You got your way. This was the outcome you insisted on.
You are arguing there was a candidate that wasent progenocide. Could you provide for the class who this person was?
Jill Stein?
Honestly I don’t actually know for sure, just guessing.
Not even american, Just you guys have made your politics the worlds problem, so I feel like I am sort of justified in speaking on these issues.
No I’m not. I’m making the point that neither candidate was anti-genocide, and that Democrats lost because they thought they could bully their voters into voting for a genocide. Someguy3 things voters are like a horse you can just buggy whip into doing what you want, and I don’t agree with that.
I’m probably the most vocal, most persistent, and most consistent voice on lemmy who has been saying exactly what the recent news around the DNC 2024 post-mortem is also saying: Democrats could not win as a pro genocide party.
You can go through this comment thread and find my main points: https://lemmy.world/post/43468718?sort=Top
Here’s me making that argument 2 years ago: https://lemmy.world/post/18568674?scrollToComments=true
I mean look at this banger:
I argue, and have argued, and will continue to argue, that you can-not move electorates over the course of an election cycle. Elections are 4-12 month cycles. That’s not enough time to change the hearts and minds of millions of individual people. I think its electorally illiterate to blame voters for how they voted. Your job in politics is to understand what voters think and feel, and why they think and feel what they do, and adjust your campaign and strategy to operate with in the real conditions of an electorate.
Any one trying to paint the election as a binary, or trying to operate their rhetoric on individual commenters or voters, instead of the actual person who could make the necessary changes (eg, Biden or Harris), they are apologists for genocide, and at this point, I consider them to be as pro-fascist as MAGA.
The candidates job isn’t to teach you that allowing Hitler to come to power is a worst case scenario nor is it their fault if you fail to realize that. The candidate got one vote just like you
I think a bunch of those voters have shown “dont care who just vote blue” has run its course, they will no longer prop up the centrists candidates and they want a proper left. And yes they think this sucks,but they sort of saw the party going to be this in 30 years (as we know Regan would have loved to have the democrats you currently have) So let the orange man win and maybe switch there base into more conscious voters or be the ones who vote blue no matter who. But giving those that have a place at the table that have been running right hasnt worked, and when the other team is up to bat, its still shit on the common people and corpo money wins. Until the law makers start doing something about that then they will find new people/parties/ (worst of all) not voting (because by checking out you are giving them [could be either party here] what they want, they can show numbers back them [not really with the GOP, because if america truly was one person one vote as they say, they would do away with the electoral collage and they could really have the people vote.).
Still no sense. Ciao.
I don’t expect strong reading comprehension from pro-genocide apologists who did the work to get fascists elected. If a scrape a penny and go look at your comment history out, help cuz out, what will I find?
I voted Kamala but seriously, fuck off with this sourbitch garbage. Protest voters aren’t why you lost, you lost because your candidate sucked shit.
I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
This is what Kamala Harris preferred to saying “genocide is bad”.
Exactly, without question. Bitterness against non voters really is as simple as barking up the wrong tree.
Bu…but…Palestine!