Here’s the annoying thing about our system: so what? If you stop supporting Biden, and trump gets re-elected, congrats, you now have an extreme Isreal supporter in office who would give nukes to Isreal. By being fed up with the current administration, you would have shot your own cause by withdrawing.
@CollisionResistance@conquer4 Choosing either candidate results in a Pro-Israel president. Biden is on record several times proclaiming his affinity for Zionism.
Deeper than the system, unfortunately. A supermajority of Americans are still extremely pro-Israel. Some for batshit insane religious reasons, others for reasons of ignorance. A few out of pure malice, one presumes.
Americans are pro-Israel because, for the past 75 years, we’ve been taught and told that all the Arabs and/or Muslims want to destroy Israel and we are the only country that can prevent that from happening.
For the majority of Americans, it is not religion or ignorance, it is simply political dogma.
America wasn’t particularly friendly towards Israel until the 70s, though.
And to be fair, much of the Arab world has wanted to destroy Israel.
We have little sway in that matter, though. Israel survived before we lent them assistance, and they were much worse off back then, and their enemies much more determined.
Cutting off all military aid to Israel would definitely make us feel better for a minute, but I think your post accurately points out that what comes next is likely to be much worse. One genocide may turn into a different genocide as the regional powers decide it’s open season on Israel. Then once Israel is facing probable eradication, the US is faced with allowing the destruction of Israel (including Israelis that oppose the current actions of their state), or getting back into a conflict, now with many more regional forces, and possibly nation states involved.
I absolutely agree with you that the IDF’s actions are abhorrent and consistent with war crimes as I understand international agreement (which is only layman’s understanding), but Bibi appears to be playing chicken with the entire population of Israel, and Biden may have blinked after considering the consequences.
Older Americans inherited the post WW2 mentality to support Israel. And they couldn’t say anything critical for fear of being called anti-Semitic.
Younger Americans don’t have this and laugh at the attempts to call criticism anti-Semitic. (The exception are religious people who support Israel because Bible something.)
It’s a generational thing. That’s why support for Israel is falling.
That’s what primaries are for. I agree the system isn’t perfect but so many people ignore the primaries then wonder why their party never changes. Again. That’s what primaries are for.
Just to expand a bit on what your already said, those arguments conveniently ignore the DNC et al fight hard against the left, outspending any progressivess who attempt to unseat the right-leaning Dems. Then with their center-right party safely entrenched they tut-tut at us wanting the Dems to help the working class, describing the tilted table they’ve set up as “a big tent party”
Here’s the annoying thing about our system: so what? If you stop supporting Biden, and trump gets re-elected, congrats, you now have an extreme Isreal supporter in office who would give nukes to Isreal. By being fed up with the current administration, you would have shot your own cause by withdrawing.
Israel already has nukes
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat
@CollisionResistance @conquer4 Choosing either candidate results in a Pro-Israel president. Biden is on record several times proclaiming his affinity for Zionism.
https://youtu.be/86Nrv5izaTs?si=QSw9w1j4LF29lVm2
Deeper than the system, unfortunately. A supermajority of Americans are still extremely pro-Israel. Some for batshit insane religious reasons, others for reasons of ignorance. A few out of pure malice, one presumes.
Americans are pro-Israel because, for the past 75 years, we’ve been taught and told that all the Arabs and/or Muslims want to destroy Israel and we are the only country that can prevent that from happening.
For the majority of Americans, it is not religion or ignorance, it is simply political dogma.
America wasn’t particularly friendly towards Israel until the 70s, though.
And to be fair, much of the Arab world has wanted to destroy Israel.
We have little sway in that matter, though. Israel survived before we lent them assistance, and they were much worse off back then, and their enemies much more determined.
Good! The let’s stop selling them weapons, withdraw our carriers, and let them deal with the consequences of their actions on their own.
It is really fucking easy to do what you want, to be ho you want, with no repercussions when you have the worlds strongest military backing you.
The little fuckers wouldn’t have enough balls to do what they have been doing without our backing.
For fucks sake, they are so scared and cowardly that they are shooting innocent hostages, with their shirts off, hands up and a white flag in them.
I mean, shit, you won’t find any disagreement from me. As far as I’m concerned, Israel should be treated as a hostile actor to the US.
Don’t know about that, though.
Cutting off all military aid to Israel would definitely make us feel better for a minute, but I think your post accurately points out that what comes next is likely to be much worse. One genocide may turn into a different genocide as the regional powers decide it’s open season on Israel. Then once Israel is facing probable eradication, the US is faced with allowing the destruction of Israel (including Israelis that oppose the current actions of their state), or getting back into a conflict, now with many more regional forces, and possibly nation states involved.
I absolutely agree with you that the IDF’s actions are abhorrent and consistent with war crimes as I understand international agreement (which is only layman’s understanding), but Bibi appears to be playing chicken with the entire population of Israel, and Biden may have blinked after considering the consequences.
Those are the consequences of their actions, let the smart ones get out and the war hawks get what they paid for.
Older Americans inherited the post WW2 mentality to support Israel. And they couldn’t say anything critical for fear of being called anti-Semitic.
Younger Americans don’t have this and laugh at the attempts to call criticism anti-Semitic. (The exception are religious people who support Israel because Bible something.)
It’s a generational thing. That’s why support for Israel is falling.
That’s what primaries are for. I agree the system isn’t perfect but so many people ignore the primaries then wonder why their party never changes. Again. That’s what primaries are for.
“Rely on the primaries” - people who love that the party opposes progressives in primaries harder than it opposes Republicans in any context.
Just to expand a bit on what your already said, those arguments conveniently ignore the DNC et al fight hard against the left, outspending any progressivess who attempt to unseat the right-leaning Dems. Then with their center-right party safely entrenched they tut-tut at us wanting the Dems to help the working class, describing the tilted table they’ve set up as “a big tent party”
Yeah, it’s a big tent, and we aint in it