Create

  • Doomsider@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    2 days ago

    That is an interesting opinion. You think they would have gained more polarized disengaged voters if they would have taken an anti-Israel stance. The polling suggested the opposite, that they would have lost more entrenched voters than they gained.

    While I definitely have a soft spot for the Palestinians, I don’t really believe that many people care. I think it is naive to think so honestly. Especially with the rise of the far right youth, there were not the numbers you are thinking there were.

    • Tinidril@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      The polling suggested the opposite, that they would have lost more entrenched voters than they gained.

      And yet, the Democratic voters seem to have turned on a dime in the last couple of months. Funny how that works. Support for Israel among Democratic voters has gone terminal. All they needed was permission.

    • Krauerking@lemy.lol
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      The polling on so many things have been so wrong that i am so done pretending we can do math to predict human behavior like this.

      The Democrats payed hundreds of millions to their extended family with extensive degrees to tell them exactpy how to campaign to win by the polling numbers and they drowned in their own bullshit.

      Maybe we just try stuff now and aim for humanity and caring and plans to help people and see how that goes in the reap world.

      • Doomsider@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        2 days ago

        It is never too late to change, but if history has shown us anything it is the US is the most violent, racist, and misogynist country. We have a long way to go, but that shouldn’t stop us from changing.

        • Krauerking@lemy.lol
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 days ago

          Holy conflicting message batman.

          Im not sure how that continued the conversation and seems more just you want to lament about how bad you feel about the US. It sucks but you dont need to claim it to be the worst of all time to want to try and change it.
          And my point remains i think people want to be good And that current polls do more to obfuscate than to help. You can sample size your way to any conclusion you want about people but it doesnt make it correct.

          • Doomsider@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            2 days ago

            The US is objectively the worst country period. No one has caused more war, genocide, and oppression than the US.

            That is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no fucking clue what is really going on.

            • Krauerking@lemy.lol
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              2 days ago

              You change your tone so fast and do not seem to be involved in this discussion but rather talking at me rather than with me.
              This is the problem with discussing with people who think they have the only grasp on what is real.

              • Doomsider@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                2 days ago

                It is clear you don’t know your history and probably lack a general understanding of politics as well.

                Hey, I get it. You are misinformed and have no real foundation in understanding what is happening. Not that I pretend to know everything, but it is clear you are lacking any serious answers or insight.

                The problem with the Democratic Party has almost nothing to do with the immediate crisis in Israel. As I stated, I feel for Palestinians, but I am in an extreme minority in the US of people who support human rights.