CNN anchor Christiane Amanpour was thrown by the answer given by Ehud Barak during an interview.
  • Fedizen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    504·
    1 year ago

    it sounds like israel built a bunker under a hospital, and is now bombing it because they suspect hamas is using it because they took hostages there?

    The proper solution for this is to search the hospital not bomb it.

    • agent_flounder@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4411·
      1 year ago

      But then they wouldn’t be able to genocide Palestinians. So not really a solution for them is it? /S

      Netanyahu and his right wing govt is fucking unhinged and his intentions toward Palestinians seem to have been clear for many years from the sounds of it. Israelis needs a very different set of leaders that aren’t genocidal monsters.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        1 year ago

        Why are people standing in the way of Israel solving the Palestinian problem once and for all with a final solution?! /s

        • orrk@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          I agree, if the Palestinians weren’t so bad, why don’t the other nations just take them all in? it was eye-opening to see how much literal Nazi rhetoric the “support Israel, or you’re an antisemite” have been getting into.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      213·
      1 year ago

      but searching it might find evidence that its not being used, and thus not give them the excuse to bomb a hospital and kill tons of people.

    • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
      92·
      1 year ago

      Well you’ll be happy to learn they are, in fact, searching it now. And part of it is the storage basement that they built themselves

    • DoomBot5@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1514·
      1 year ago

      Which is why they didn’t bomb it directly, but instead searched it. People then shifted the goal posts again and said they shouldn’t be there. Also, the part they built was meant to just be a laundry room and some offices. It’s not part of the tunnel network Hamas built under that.

      • ???@lemmy.worldEnglish
        63·
        1 year ago

        Actually they did bomb it directly and caused damage to the building. They then terrorized every patient, kidnapped 200 people to an unknown location, and THEN went in to search but of course they found no tunnel inside the hospital itself (because why on earth would a Hamas fighter put the opening there?).

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    131·
    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have targeted Gaza’s biggest medical facility which it said was the site of a Hamas command center, a charge denied by the group.

    Amid widespread condemnation about Israel’s targeting of the hospital, CNN anchor Christiane Amanpour asked Barak if the IDF and the Israeli government had done a “good enough job of proving their claim” that there was a “major” Hamas command center and bunker under Shifa.

    Barak replied “It’s already been known for many years that they have a bunker that originally was built by Israeli constructors underneath Shifa,” which was used as a “command post” for Hamas and as a “junction of several tunnels”

    BBC Verify said that the Israeli footage appeared to have been recorded before reporters arrived and that the earlier clip showed fewer weapons which the IDF later explained was because more weaponry had been found later in the day.

    BBC analysis editor Ros Atkins on November 17 said the IDF video was posted, then deleted, and reposted again, with references to an Israeli soldier held hostage removed.

    “We don’t know the reasons for that edit, nor how significant it is,” Atkins said in the video which as of Tuesday had received 12.4 million views, adding that Israel’s military “says suggestions it is manipulating the media are incorrect.”

    The original article contains 692 words, the summary contains 217 words. Saved 69%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
    1614·
    1 year ago

    Literally not talking about the tunnels and bunkers shown recently which are built in Hamas style developed over the last 15 or so years.

    The shafts and tunnels are built in a certain style with parts made in gaza. This is all visible.

    • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
      226·
      1 year ago

      “hamas style” is that like art Deco? Maybe art Nuevo?

      You mean the place the hospital is located and constructed? Weird things in Gaza would be built in Gaza.

      • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
        77·
        1 year ago

        They use a specific type of cement piece construction they developed over time to let them build tunnels quickly for cheap. It’s been documented historically and proudly by Hamas.

        It’s the shape of the stone arches and the smaller U shaped pieces in the shaft that tell you it wasn’t Israeli built.

        • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
          87·
          1 year ago

          So a “technique” that would be easy and cheap to replicate rapidly. Is it not then suspicious it’s been quite some time between raid and any amount of investigation?

          Ah, glad we have an expert in primitive construction and not just that but one who’s seen these tunnels in person. What’s your name again so we can verify your conclusion?

          • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
            65·
            1 year ago

            Literally go watch the videos of journalists in the tunnels. Nothing will change your mind.

            https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/b1xzpxbnt history of the tunnels

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_tunnel_warfare_in_the_Gaza_Strip

            https://youtu.be/E7SwJtYW86U?si=TbxPd_CGqO4ahpp0

            Literally go watch the footage.

            https://youtu.be/W4gDfSNMRx4?si=vVvN7609vuYHRkuu

            It’s easy and cheap using smuggled concrete not doable in days with functional air conditioning systems.

            https://youtu.be/a_n8qj8ycok?si=4uWZsaddS5KQGRxX

            https://youtu.be/WUBxjB2NFMU?si=CGNkZJ0zwEDnZZh_

            It takes time to disarm a possibly booby trapped tunnel and avoid potentially collapsing the buildings with civilians on top. It takes time to do an investigation of a crime scene.

            • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
              59·
              1 year ago

              Yes, isreali approved releases of ungeolocated video by approved journalists, not investigators.

              We knew there were bunkers under all shifa, we knew there were tunnels under al shifa, we know both of these things because Israel used them when they controlled the hospital. What we don’t have is a. Proof hamas made them, b. That is used offensively c. That there was any use prior to Israel breaking a wall down to gain access to tunnels and bunkers they admit they built.

              Ditto bud, your own sources say they do not look recently used.

              • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
                56·
                1 year ago

                Also the proof is that hamas made them in their own style, far away from the Israeli built Bunker and on lower levels.

                • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  64·
                  1 year ago

                  They’re own style, you mean the Roman Arch and a fucking wall? Who could have thought of that aside from ww1 trenches, WW2 trenches, isreali trenches or I dunno literally anyone past like 1000bc.

              • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
                58·
                1 year ago

                Literally nothing with change your delusions in reality. So I’m going to stop bothering.

                • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  54·
                  1 year ago

                  It’s delusional to want evidence from experts who are actually there, not from journalists who have a perverse incentive to release only what Israel allows.

                  Wait for things to actually be investigated before calling it proof. It’s absurd to take sides during a war with evidence that’s solely controlled by one party and supported only by their allies.

                  Wait, see. Don’t trust the people who have a track record of lying about the same shit they’re talking about now and that goes equally to Hamas as it does to Israel.

                  But you know, logic huh? Why bother, who needs that. We all know the scientific method is “trust Ted, it benefits him more than anyone but why would ted lie?”

                • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  22·
                  1 year ago

                  It doesn’t say that at all, the best consensus of your sources is that they do not look recently used.

      • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
        12·
        1 year ago

        No, quite literally. It’s been known Hamas does this shit for 10 years. More than a few prisoners reported it in interrogations.

        Once the geolocated shafts were shown on video and by reporters it became glaringly apparent Israel didn’t build those. The weird misinformation around the Bunker they did build is some weird delusions.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    2246·
    1 year ago

    Yes, Hamas would use an Israeli company to build their secret bunker. That sounds very plausible indeed. Hamas is well-known to be trusting of Israelis.

    Edit: I don’t even think they bombed the hospital because of a bunker in the first place.

    Also, a surprising number of people seem to be taking the word of an ex-Israeli PM as truth around here.