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        Yeah, she just said “I’m not calling you a racist, but” and then proceeded to describe past racist statements of his that had a negative effect on her as a young girl of color! Totally different! 🙄

        Disclaimer: no, that doesn’t make Blankzy’s whataboutism a valid counterargument to the fact that Vance is a spineless opportunist and a fascist or at the very least an enabler of fascism.

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          she just said “I’m not calling you a racist, but”

          She didn’t say that, either.

          What she actually said was “I do not believe you are a racist, and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground.”

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            And then came the “but” to show she just said the first part to avoid being attacked by the press and his supporters.

            Besides, “finding common ground” with racists on race issues is just less overt racism.

            Unlike his “racial jungle” comment, which was completely overt racism.

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                Yeah, all of those assumed that she was being genuine rather than just covering her ass. Not always a good idea when dealing with politicians, and almost never when dealing with her specifically.

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                  Well seeing how often you misrepresented the truth in this thread alone, forgive me if I don’t side with your assumption.

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                Nope. Just following the logic of “everything before the ‘but’ is usually disingenuous” to apply to an otherwise self-contradictory statement from a notoriously disingenuous politician 🤷

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                  Just following the logic of “If Kamala doesn’t confirm my bias, she must be lying.”

                  And her statement is not “self-contradictory”. She thinks Biden said hurtful things in the past but she doesn’t think he is racist.

                  Frankly that could apply to a lot of white people. So if you don’t understand how she can truthfully say those things, that’s on you.

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                    She thinks Biden said ~~hurtful~ racist things in the past but she doesn’t think he is racist.

                    Which would mean she was being disingenuous or wrong.

                    It doesn’t get much more racist than protesting desegregation bussing because “I don’t want my kids to grow up in a racial jungle”.

                    That’s almost Trumpian levels of turning the dog whistle into a bullhorn.

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                  Not at all.

                  We need to go to the store, but let’s hurry so we can get back home.

                  She is very talented, but she is also very modest.

                  The weather was cold, but the scenery was beautiful.

                  The movie was long, but it kept my attention throughout.

                  I mean I could go on and on. If this is the one thing your holding into turn you’ve got nothing.

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              she just said the first part

              That’s certainly one interpretation, especially if you want to put words into people’s mouths to fit your narrative.

              Here’s another interpretation: when Kamala said that she doesn’t believe Biden is racist, it meant that she doesn’t believe Biden is racist.

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                It’s common knowledge that “everything before ‘but’ can almost always safely be discarded as disingenuous” and this is one such case.

                I’m not putting any words in anyone’s mouth, I’m just disregarding the disingenuous ones she used before talking about Biden’s racism affecting her negatively as a person of color.

                Here’s another interpretation: when Kamala said that she doesn’t believe Biden is racist, it meant that she doesn’t believe Biden is racist.

                It’s kinda adorable how you automatically assume that a politician known for pretending to be a progressive and than doing a sharp turn to the right to become VP is being genuine and employing no artifice in her big prepared debate zinger lol