Black and brown people at the bottom ever subservient to a small elite of rich white cis straight men. It was never about the ‘unfairness’ of affirmative action. If it was you’ll also see them taking aim at the unfairness of legacy admissions as well. It has always been about keeping black and brown folk down and maintaining hierarchy.
I like how they made an actual argument that referenced real things the Republican party has actually done, and the best defense you could come up with was “nuh uh!”
Hold on let me find Dorothy, Tinman, and the lion and we have the entire crew to hang out with strawman.
Ignoring the fact that AA has nothing to do with legacy admissions and frankly wouldn’t survive a challenge on it’s own even in a less stacked court; no I do not think banning legacy admissions would be effective policy. Legacy admissions allow an individual to expand capabilities and capacity of educational institutions and get a favor in return. At it’s core it helps more individuals get education at the cost of unfairness which frankly is built in at every level. That rich person will always have an advantage. You’ve fixed a small and trivial piece. They still have the network and funding.
It’s frankly hurting the intended recipients to right a wrong that will not be fixed unless you somehow eliminate income equality. It’s bad policy in pursuit of an unrealistic standard for us to achieve in this decade+.
You keep mentioning whether it’s effective policy, but that has nothing to do with SCOTUS. Their one and only concern is whether the policy is constitutional. Effectiveness is for the other branches of government to deal with.
Let’s use a simple metaphor. You have a bridge. One side of the bridge is heavier than the other, so it’s not balanced. You add a counterweight to balance the bridge.
Several years later, someone says “there’s no need for this counterweight anymore, it’s just unbalancing the bridge.” If the bridge was rebuilt to address the imbalances, you’d be right. But it wasn’t rebuilt, it’s the same bridge with the same flaws it had when the counterweight was put in place. In an ideal world, we wouldn’t need affirmative action. But pretending we’re in that ideal world isn’t actually solving anything.
This assumes that the systemic issues causing the imbalance are the admissions themselves and that you are fixing the source of the problem. Everyone agrees about fixing the source of a problem. There are many issues with patching over a systemic concern by targetting a single metric, the most common being Goodhart’s Law “When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".
For example, if POC are being exposed to poorer education prior to University, the solution is not to force the universities to lower standards for POC, it would be to address the issues in the elementary schools.
Median white household income in the U.S. - $74,262
Median black household income in the U.S. - $46,400
Maybe, possibly, black people need more help paying for college than white people?
Let me guess, that lower income is their own fault. Black people need to collectively pull themselves up by their bootstraps. I wonder if education has a part to play in that?
I wonder what their final solution will be for diversity?
Black and brown people at the bottom ever subservient to a small elite of rich white cis straight men. It was never about the ‘unfairness’ of affirmative action. If it was you’ll also see them taking aim at the unfairness of legacy admissions as well. It has always been about keeping black and brown folk down and maintaining hierarchy.
Couldn’t be that it was racist ineffective policy. No definitely not.
I like how they made an actual argument that referenced real things the Republican party has actually done, and the best defense you could come up with was “nuh uh!”
Are we also getting rid of legacy admissions? Or is that advantage acceptable?
Hold on let me find Dorothy, Tinman, and the lion and we have the entire crew to hang out with strawman.
Ignoring the fact that AA has nothing to do with legacy admissions and frankly wouldn’t survive a challenge on it’s own even in a less stacked court; no I do not think banning legacy admissions would be effective policy. Legacy admissions allow an individual to expand capabilities and capacity of educational institutions and get a favor in return. At it’s core it helps more individuals get education at the cost of unfairness which frankly is built in at every level. That rich person will always have an advantage. You’ve fixed a small and trivial piece. They still have the network and funding.
It’s frankly hurting the intended recipients to right a wrong that will not be fixed unless you somehow eliminate income equality. It’s bad policy in pursuit of an unrealistic standard for us to achieve in this decade+.
Sorry, they have nothing to do with each other? Systemic racism is real and legacy admissions are definitely a part of that.
You keep mentioning whether it’s effective policy, but that has nothing to do with SCOTUS. Their one and only concern is whether the policy is constitutional. Effectiveness is for the other branches of government to deal with.
100%. You might want to tell the guy mouthing off legacy admissions then. I’ve already pointed out that the bitching is beyond the scope of this case.
Let’s use a simple metaphor. You have a bridge. One side of the bridge is heavier than the other, so it’s not balanced. You add a counterweight to balance the bridge.
Several years later, someone says “there’s no need for this counterweight anymore, it’s just unbalancing the bridge.” If the bridge was rebuilt to address the imbalances, you’d be right. But it wasn’t rebuilt, it’s the same bridge with the same flaws it had when the counterweight was put in place. In an ideal world, we wouldn’t need affirmative action. But pretending we’re in that ideal world isn’t actually solving anything.
This assumes that the systemic issues causing the imbalance are the admissions themselves and that you are fixing the source of the problem. Everyone agrees about fixing the source of a problem. There are many issues with patching over a systemic concern by targetting a single metric, the most common being Goodhart’s Law “When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".
For example, if POC are being exposed to poorer education prior to University, the solution is not to force the universities to lower standards for POC, it would be to address the issues in the elementary schools.
Probably craving for the chance to go back to segregation
Final solution… I think I’ve heard that somewhere before, I wonder where… Might have been in another language, German maybe…
Ach Quatsch! Das bildest du dir nur ein!
To shower all the minorities in glory?
The Rs are all about merit. They believe in pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Like the old saying goes, “Arbeit macht frei”
Seems like their final solution is to stop basing scholarships, awards, and college placement off of the color of a person’s skin or their race.
Median white household income in the U.S. - $74,262
Median black household income in the U.S. - $46,400
Maybe, possibly, black people need more help paying for college than white people?
Let me guess, that lower income is their own fault. Black people need to collectively pull themselves up by their bootstraps. I wonder if education has a part to play in that?
Actually it is to change it back to basing it off of wealth, family connections, and other things white people have more of than minorities.
So race based outcomes without saying it out loud.
Yeah man, these fucking minorities need to pick themselves up by their great great grandparents bootstraps.
Yeah, because eliminating cultural support programs does that.