So they are getting rid of digital downloads. Terrible news

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      9 months ago

      It even says it in the article op linked

      The Apple Music app provides access to the iTunes library, alongside song and album purchases. Apple TV also lets Windows users watch movies and TV shows from their iTunes library

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      9 months ago

      I guess i didn’t express it correctly. I know that music i already purchase could be transfered to apple music but once itunes is dead for music, you could not buy any new music

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        9 months ago

        This is about the programs, not the services. Apple Music on Mac can also buy music from iTunes despite not being called iTunes anymore.

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        9 months ago

        Again, you are assuming too much.

        In the first link I provided:

        Buy music from the iTunes Store: If you don’t subscribe to Apple Music and you want to add your favourite songs or albums, you can buy and download music from the iTunes Store. And if you previously purchased items from the iTunes Store, you can download them to your authorised computers and devices (up to 10 total).

        • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          9 months ago

          I’m actually super down for this. The only thing I use iTunes for is to make encrypted incremental image backups of my phone and iPad. I’d love to just have a specific program for that, rather than all of the iTunes bloat.

          As much as I dislike iTunes. Having a one-click encrypted incremental backups is fucking stellar.

          • Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works
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            9 months ago

            If only they could create such an app for Linux. That way I could just ditch my windows virtual machine and not try to create a macOS virtual machine🙏

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              9 months ago

              Ah shoot. I didn’t realize they don’t have that. I guess I will hafta keep a windows computer/partition around when I switch over fully.

              Or a VM is a good idea, I suppose—thank you!

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                9 months ago

                The VM way works really well and is easier to setup than a dual boot.

                In my experience, windows always wants to be alone on your system 😅

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                  9 months ago

                  My close friend told me

                  NEVER INSTALL BOTH ON YOUR MAIN DRIVE IT WILL FUCK YOUR BOOTLOADER

                  will windows on an external SSD work okay for games and stuff? I’m mega new to Linux.

              • Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works
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                9 months ago

                Thanks for the answer. It’s still a bit too complicated for me as it involves way more work than just setting up a windows VM in Gnome boxes.

                I might still look at some video tutorials if I can find some 👍

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                  9 months ago

                  It’s not so difficult if you don’t need to spoof a serial number. It does take hours of just waiting for it to install, though.

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      9 months ago

      Three apps, plus still needing iTunes for podcasts. Thanks, Apple.

      Bunch of jabronis

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      9 months ago

      Is this in response to the antitrust stuff they’ve been dealing with in Europe? I thought they had tried to split software into different “services” before to avoid oversight (I think they did it with their web browser).

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      9 months ago

      That’s only for music you already bought just like Google did with Youtube music when they killed Google Play Music

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        You can 100% continue to purchase content and add to your library. Just because the apps have split (as they already have on Apple’s own platforms), does not mean you can not download purchased content or continue to purchase new content for download.

        https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/build-your-music-library-mus0f01bdce4/1.4/windows/10

        Buy music from the iTunes Store If you don’t subscribe to Apple Music and you want to add your favorite songs or albums, you can buy and download music from the iTunes Store. And if you previously purchased items from the iTunes Store, you can download them to your authorized computers and devices (up to 10 total).

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        9 months ago

        Yeah, I still buy all my music on my phone, I don’t like renting it…

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    9 months ago

    I didn’t see anything mentioning getting rid of downloads of music, has that been confirmed?

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      You can 100% continue to purchase content and add to your library. Just because the apps have split (as they already have on Apple’s own platforms), does not mean you can not download purchased content or continue to purchase new content for download.

      https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/build-your-music-library-mus0f01bdce4/1.4/windows/10

      Buy music from the iTunes Store If you don’t subscribe to Apple Music and you want to add your favorite songs or albums, you can buy and download music from the iTunes Store. And if you previously purchased items from the iTunes Store, you can download them to your authorized computers and devices (up to 10 total).

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    9 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The apps were originally launched in preview last year, but Apple has now removed the preview tag after working with Microsoft to launch the apps.

    The trio of apps, in combination with an overhauled iCloud for Windows app, are designed to move Windows users away from the reliance of iTunes, according to MacRumors.

    The Apple Music app provides access to the iTunes library, alongside song and album purchases.

    Apple TV also lets Windows users watch movies and TV shows from their iTunes library, along with subscription streaming content.

    Apple Devices lets PC owners backup or restore iPhones and iPads, as well as sync content to those devices.

    Microsoft has been working with Apple on the apps, and even welcomed their launch this week.


    The original article contains 220 words, the summary contains 123 words. Saved 44%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • Roldyclark@literature.cafe
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    9 months ago

    This is already how it is on Mac. Kind of sucks because I don’t use apple streaming and it takes up half the app. Wish I could turn it off and just have a UI focused on my downloads.

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    9 months ago

    God I despise UWP. I even uninstall the Microsoft Store on my machines.

    Google and MS are working double time to force us into fully-web-hosted everything.

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      9 months ago

      I’d take a native UWP app over shitty bloated electron based apps any day. Aside from games, they work pretty well in my experience.

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        9 months ago

        … right up until you don’t have the choice. Microsoft wants a walled garden because money.

        I get the sentiment but it really worries me when people embrace this kind of stuff.

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          9 months ago

          It doesn’t make any sense. Microsoft doing that will kill the only advantage they’ve ever had in the OS space. And they have tried it once and it failed miserably. It won’t happen and it won’t work. People would just stay on older versions anyways.

          Besides, UWP is just a native application platform. It is not the store. I’d rather they build it with a cross platform native app framework but well, a native app seems like a tough ask nowadays.

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    9 months ago

    Note that you can still download your music, movies and tv shows for offline use. These are basically the same apps that Mac users have been using instead of iTunes for awhile now.

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      9 months ago

      Then you haven’t been paying attention. They’ve supported iTunes quite well on Windows for decades and iCloud for as long as it’s been around. Hell, Apple Music has a better Android UX than YouTube Music does.

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    9 months ago

    I’ve been using soulseek and 3utools ever since they made iTunes a Microsoft store app. guess I’m not surprised it ended up like this.

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    9 months ago

    The Apple Music App is just a web browser in disguise. It’s bug-ridden too. Although Lossless Audio works fine.

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      9 months ago

      Oh god. I thought at least Apple had some standard of quality left for the software they’re releasing. Though considering this isn’t for their own platform, and their track record for their other Windows software (at least iTunes) maybe I shouldn’t be too surprised.

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    9 months ago

    Found iTunes impossible to uninstall back in the Win7 days and never used it since. Also Spotify exists and is still acceptable enough to use so…

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      9 months ago

      There’s still people like me who want to buy digital albums. A lot of artists refuse to put their music on Bandcamp but have music on itunes

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        You can 100% continue to purchase content and add to your library. Just because the apps have split (as they already have on Apple’s own platforms), does not mean you can not download purchased content or continue to purchase new content for download.

        https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/build-your-music-library-mus0f01bdce4/1.4/windows/10

        Buy music from the iTunes Store If you don’t subscribe to Apple Music and you want to add your favorite songs or albums, you can buy and download music from the iTunes Store. And if you previously purchased items from the iTunes Store, you can download them to your authorized computers and devices (up to 10 total).

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          I’m assuming the content you download has Apple DRM so you continue to rely on them? And when they do away with that service your ‘purchases’ are just files taking up disk space?

          A sarcastic, but genuine question (been reading about the Sony / Crunchyroll / Fun<something> over the last few days).

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            Surprisingly, all music purchases through apple’s store are DRM-free (now, though it wasn’t always that way. They got in early on the DRM wagon in fact until iPods stopped mattering).

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        9 months ago

        Well, when there’s a service problem, I’d rather sail than ‘buying’ digital.

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          I don’t wan to pay for music i don’t own, the free version of Spotify is pretty useless due to the severe limitations, spotify grayed a lot of songs in my playlists because of uncleared samples and I also want to support artists when I can afford it

          Since i’m not paying for streaming services, I can’t download the tracks for offline playback and on Spotify the limit is 10k tracks but my library is over 40k tracks.I also think local players are better than sttreaming services players. My music player Musicolet is the only music player that allows me to create queues so i don’t have to remember the latest track i listened to on every playlists

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        You know you can still buy CDs?

        If you must have digital files there are plenty of ways to get them from a streaming service. But buying digital files of music is imo where the line should be drawn.

        I will even buy or rent new film releases from a main platform if I missed it at the cinema, etc.

        But owning music is a very personal thing. I have CDs going back to the first days of the format, many of which are very sentimental. Being able to stream them is like magic to me. But there is no reason I can think of to pay for a digital file of them or any music that can be found on CD or streamed.

        Each to their own, of course. I just find the concept of digital file purchase for music utterly abhorrent. Once it became apparent that the music industry was going to do this, I vowed never to do it and I think it was a good decision.

        The streaming services are a convenience that we have to decide on the value to us as users, despite their many obvious faults. But paying to own a, usually compressed, audio file? I can’t agree that’s good for consumers.

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          I don’t want to take care of physical media due to my disorganization, I also listen to music a lot outside so I have to own the digital version too. Music released on CD is become more rare anyway. I also like the flexibility of digital music locally I can back it up in multiple places, I can remove bad songs easily and i can bring my music everywhere instead of bringing a collection of cd’s and can risk of forgetting them . I’m also not an audiophile I can’t even hear the difference between 128 kbps and 320 kbps MP3’s, I value artistic quality and not audio quality.

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            You can 100% continue to purchase content and add to your library. Just because the apps have split (as they already have on Apple’s own platforms), does not mean you can not download purchased content or continue to purchase new content for download.

            https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/build-your-music-library-mus0f01bdce4/1.4/windows/10

            Buy music from the iTunes Store If you don’t subscribe to Apple Music and you want to add your favorite songs or albums, you can buy and download music from the iTunes Store. And if you previously purchased items from the iTunes Store, you can download them to your authorized computers and devices (up to 10 total).

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            I also listen to music a lot outside so I have to own the digital version too.

            Why, are you not able to stream it?

            CD is become more rare anyway.

            I’m not sure that’s true. Are there numbers you can point to to back that up?

            flexibility of digital music locally

            I can make Spotify store locally. It’s really weird how fast that is come to think of it. Very useful for patchy data. Easy to skip tracks you don’t want as well.

            bring my music everywhere

            I use Spotify but I think ITunes does similar. I feel strongly about Apple products though so I’ve no experience.

            I’m also not an audiophile

            Although this has no impact on streaming or use of temporary downloads, or any relevance to your need for purchasing audio files, I am what many would refer to as an audiophile.

            I have worked as an audio engineer in music recording and post production, I own professional audio reproduction equipment and I make my own music as a hobby.

            Even so, being able to throw on a favourite album, old or new, while driving or at the beach or a friend’s house, is to me akin to magic.