The Democrats’ botched 2024 autopsy doesn’t just leave out Gaza. It also simply pretends the left-populist upsurge embodied by Zohran Mamdani isn’t happening, while coveting its achievements.
In my long study of history there is always a tipping point. 1789, 1840, 1905, 1917 - people just took power back, or made a serious effort to do the same. Not that it was perfect either. The history of humanity is one of struggle against the elites.
In the case of the US, corporations being recognised as actual living, breathing human beings only made revolution a certainty. The only question is when? I’m an old fart, so I hopefully won’t be around to see the inevitable chaos.
There have only been a few places in history where the people actually took back control temporarily with Haiti being one of them. Of course now they have one of the most extreme wealth gaps around.
If the history of the world has been a struggle against the ruling class, that struggle has amounted to a wet fart.
I don’t know about that? France, the United States, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Philippines, Nicolae Ceaușescu in Romania, the fall of the Romanovs in Russia were all a thing.
Besides which, I think that you are missing my point. Success isn’t guaranteed in Revolution, that’s why I included 1905. I was talking about tipping points that lead to revolution. What happens next can go either way.
The wet fart bit is that you just used Hati to disprove a point that I never made in the first place.
Sorry, I am not counting revolutions that amounted to trading one aristocracy for another.
I never said you made that point, I was just talking. I simply don’t believe your revolutions were that revolutionary. I gave an example of a truly revolutionary movement that has amounted to one of the largest wealth gaps in the world.
This is teaching us a bigger lesson, one that so many glaze over.
I take that point. I also make the point that at the beginning of most revolutions the outcome is unknown. Entrenchment of a new regime can only be understood once the outcome has been decided. To make your argument you are permitted to accept or discount revolutions according to your whim.
My entire point was about historical tipping points. In this very simple concept I have been misunderstood. One person accused me of encouraging revolt. You seem to think that my argument doesn’t work because a great many revolutions fail. You are right. A great many do. But I’m not advocating for revolts nor suggesting that they always work. I’m saying that when conditions reach a certain point, they are almost inevitable. Not always even then. North Korea is a case in point.
I totally get what you are saying but I will reserve the right to judge revolutions based upon who started them and their actual results.
I have often had a thought experiment just what it would take for US citizens to rebel. Things are pretty bleak for a lot of people already. The US government has been waging a slow walk genocide with the War on Drugs since before I was born. Millions of families destroyed.
Clearly gun violence, overdoses, excessive incarceration, systemic sexism/racism, and environmental degredation has taken an incredible toll on the US population. The reality is most people don’t even realize this and probably never will. So I am a bit dubious that there will be any sort of cultural revolution soon.
Now if by revolution you mean the US descending into some sort of techno feudalist/fascist hellscape then I would probably say it looks like we are already here.
I’ve got no advice to give. Just making a historical observation.
Over time patterns in human societies emerge. Pointing them out doesn’t constitute advice, nor the promotion of events. Sadly, we can be prisoners of those events, mostly events that are beyond any individual’s control.
Spotting smoke on a far distant ridgeline doesn’t cause the fire that comes roaring down towards your house.
In my long study of history there is always a tipping point. 1789, 1840, 1905, 1917 - people just took power back, or made a serious effort to do the same. Not that it was perfect either. The history of humanity is one of struggle against the elites.
In the case of the US, corporations being recognised as actual living, breathing human beings only made revolution a certainty. The only question is when? I’m an old fart, so I hopefully won’t be around to see the inevitable chaos.
There have only been a few places in history where the people actually took back control temporarily with Haiti being one of them. Of course now they have one of the most extreme wealth gaps around.
If the history of the world has been a struggle against the ruling class, that struggle has amounted to a wet fart.
I don’t know about that? France, the United States, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Philippines, Nicolae Ceaușescu in Romania, the fall of the Romanovs in Russia were all a thing.
Besides which, I think that you are missing my point. Success isn’t guaranteed in Revolution, that’s why I included 1905. I was talking about tipping points that lead to revolution. What happens next can go either way.
The wet fart bit is that you just used Hati to disprove a point that I never made in the first place.
Sorry, I am not counting revolutions that amounted to trading one aristocracy for another.
I never said you made that point, I was just talking. I simply don’t believe your revolutions were that revolutionary. I gave an example of a truly revolutionary movement that has amounted to one of the largest wealth gaps in the world.
This is teaching us a bigger lesson, one that so many glaze over.
I take that point. I also make the point that at the beginning of most revolutions the outcome is unknown. Entrenchment of a new regime can only be understood once the outcome has been decided. To make your argument you are permitted to accept or discount revolutions according to your whim.
My entire point was about historical tipping points. In this very simple concept I have been misunderstood. One person accused me of encouraging revolt. You seem to think that my argument doesn’t work because a great many revolutions fail. You are right. A great many do. But I’m not advocating for revolts nor suggesting that they always work. I’m saying that when conditions reach a certain point, they are almost inevitable. Not always even then. North Korea is a case in point.
I totally get what you are saying but I will reserve the right to judge revolutions based upon who started them and their actual results.
I have often had a thought experiment just what it would take for US citizens to rebel. Things are pretty bleak for a lot of people already. The US government has been waging a slow walk genocide with the War on Drugs since before I was born. Millions of families destroyed.
Clearly gun violence, overdoses, excessive incarceration, systemic sexism/racism, and environmental degredation has taken an incredible toll on the US population. The reality is most people don’t even realize this and probably never will. So I am a bit dubious that there will be any sort of cultural revolution soon.
Now if by revolution you mean the US descending into some sort of techno feudalist/fascist hellscape then I would probably say it looks like we are already here.
If you’ve got no stake in this and nothing to lose, you probably shouldn’t be giving advice.
I’ve got no advice to give. Just making a historical observation.
Over time patterns in human societies emerge. Pointing them out doesn’t constitute advice, nor the promotion of events. Sadly, we can be prisoners of those events, mostly events that are beyond any individual’s control.
Spotting smoke on a far distant ridgeline doesn’t cause the fire that comes roaring down towards your house.