• astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz
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    3 days ago

    This has been my position since around the time when same sex marriage was being fought in the courts. Interestingly, a family member who is super conservative and religious came up with this same idea back then, and I was on board. (Her reasoning was that she wasn’t against gay people having the same rights but that marriage is a “holy” bond between a man and a woman 🙄)

    I’ve found that it’s a way to get conservatives/religious folks onboard with same-sex marriage if their issue is the word “marriage” and ensuring its sanctity (cue eye-roll). It simultaneously outs the bigots because they can’t hide behind religious BS, and they show their hand. Back in the '00s and early '10s, I would use it as a litmus test of which Republicans in my life I would continue to associate with.

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      3 days ago

      a family member who is super conservative and religious came up with this same idea back then, and I was on board

      Maybe that’s a sign that this is not something that you should be on board with.

      As a gay man, I find people like you to be MORE frustrating than the ultra conservative bigots. The bigots I expect to be bigoted. Folks who side with bigoted positions who might otherwise be decent, however, I have to really think hard about what’s wrong with them that they allow themselves to be swayed to bigoted positions.

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        2 days ago

        @Noxy. Question. Would you rather be “married”, with no rights or privileges, to your spouse or be in a “union” with your spouse with rights and privileges?

        I hate to say it but religious people claim the word marriage. You can fight all you want but it won’t change the outcome.

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          2 days ago

          Fuck em. Stop giving religious people special rights and permissions and exceptions and privilege. Give them no new things and start taking away old ones.

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          2 days ago

          I reject your premise. I have already been married for twelve years. Both of your options take that away from me in one form or another.

          I don’t give a millionth of a shit what bigots hiding behind religion think or say. They are my oppressors. I give their opinions zero regard or respect. They are fundamentally bad and I will never concede.