We are just finding out about a child sex trafficking ring involving politicians and billionaires, the world’s richest man does a Nazi salute at a political rally, and the President being an adjudicated sex criminal is probably not the worst thing he has done…
Meanwhile I’m standing here in the checkout line feeling guilty about whether or not I should tip a barista
Something is wrong with our collective notion of morality, and my individual understanding (Oh well, here we are)
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On a related note, the latest Trump administration cabinent picks and antics unironically cured my impostor syndrome.
If these gaggle of fucking demented backstabbing morons are good enough to run this country…
And they can show that about half the country is actually so stupid and or intentionally blind and or evil to somehow not realize their cult leader just obviously is a huge rapist and pedoohile…
Then I am better than this country.
Better qualified, more empathetic, more competent.
Turns out it was just angry clowns gaslighting us the whole time.
Well uh fuck em, this is all so stupid that I now actually have the correct amount of self-confidence and self-respect, it is indeed this entire society that is a joke, not that I am somehow fundamentally inadequate.
“Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it.” Plato knew what was up.
it’s easier to get ahead with a weaker skillset if you’re ok with fucking over someone else to get there.
angry clowns
We are stuck in a surreal angry clowns horror movie.
He also puts into perspective how easily manipulated we all are.
We still give the most amount of power to the least trustworthy people. It’s disgusting.
Our leaders are so disconnected from the average person only them being forced to confront their own mortality can snap them out of it.
We could really use some phantom thieves to steal the hearts of these leaders with distorted desires.
Good reminder to play Persona 5 again.
By morality you mean our collective fork and knife?
mortality
Granted
No, your notion of morality is accurate, there’s no reason to race to the bottom because someone else sucks more.
No one suggested that we need to do worse than the billionaires.
Still we must refrain from doing worse than ourselves
Are you really feeling guilty about not tipping because of the moral implications, or do you just feel socially shamed? Important distinction.
Considering the idea of shame is society’s way to enforce it’s version of morality, I would argue no it is not a distinction.
Like you said, society’s version of morality. So it can be a very important distinction because your own version of morality might differ. Not being aware of this distinction is dangerous because it stops people from developing their own moral compass. This own morality is more firm and can be relied on in the absence of shame, or even when society encourages behavior one finds immoral.
I’m even gonna go on a wilder speculation here and claim that one of the driving factors behind humanity’s worst atrocities was that large portions of society who had the potential in them for a firm morality rooted in empathy and love never developed this potential.
On a less import note, not being aware of this distinction can breed a lot of resentment and unhappiness, if someone is constantly compelled to follow rules that they, deep down, consider to be bullshit.
Of course that doesn’t mean I encourage people to just disregard society’s version of morality and lightly assume that they know better.
Edit: just noticed your username, I hope that furriosa is doing well <3
*Furryosa is doing well and thank you for acknowledging me.
But fuck you anyways!
Considering that drinking coffee is my prefered kind of laxative, i would argue theres actually no distinction between coffee and shit.
I don’t … think that was a part of the conversation going right now, but I am enjoying the turn it is taking!
Huh. I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, but I just realized I started experiencing constipation after I stopped drinking coffee. I think I should start doing that again. Thanks homie!
Or just hydrate more—its better for you and your shit.
Oh, ya boi hydrates! I drink so much water that I don’t flush after using a stall just to flex on the next motherfucker.
I had a feeling my comment had a noble purpose :)
Fuck yeah!
For me it’s the empathy of knowing that that person won’t have enough money because I know they don’t get a living wage.
But by tipping the person you support the system that doesn’t pay them a living wage. It’s similar to why you shouldn’t give money to people begging.
You shouldn’t go to restaurants at all if you’re averse to tipping. Only by starving the industry can the policy be scrapped. Don’t take it out on the workers. Hold the owners to account.
I’d say it’s a little thornier than that. By tipping, you support the person who has to take the job that doesn’t pay them a living wage. Absolutely, this can have the side effect of supporting the system creating this condition, but so too does patronizing businesses that employ this practice. The best move if you don’t want to support the system is to not patronize businesses that function this way at all. Increasing corporate revenue while not contributing to the welfare of the person who had to take that job is not a morally better position.
Feel somewhat similar about giving money to beggars, though with slightly more emphasis on the voluntary nature of the act (which itself could be fodder for moral discussion - what’s the difference between Jack the Hobo’s and Jack the Barista’s experience?). End of the day, while systematic overhaul so both of these conditions are irrelevant is warranted, for both groups it’s about survival until the next day (yes, for some beggars survival includes dope, withdrawl is hell). The revolution ain’t coming tomorrow, and even if it did there’s time required to get these folks what they need. It’s entirely possible they wouldn’t make it to that point without voluntary support from individuals or small groups.
I feel guilty because I’m conflicted about what the right thing to do is, the cost, and care about fellow workers.
You probably understand why I would have a moral question (alongside some guilt of doing the wrong thing) after reading through the entire thread engaging your comment.
Meanwhile Epstein, Elon, and Trump don’t seem to have these hang-up’s and are rewarded handsomely by society…
Not OP, but both.
One of the best distinctions!
While people in power are absolute evil most of the time, this is not an excuse to change your own morals for the worse.
Small acts of kindness, when taken in decent quantity, change the world no less than massive fraud and sex trafficking.
That said, one of the most moral things to do is to be on the lookout for powerful people doing nasty things and do everything in your capacity to prevent or at least retaliate. This makes abuse less common, and goes a long way to restore democracy and responsibility for everyone.
Don’t expect the world to reward your good behavior. You will find your own internal motivation, or maybe not. But judging others never ends well. Just focus on your own actions. Nobody says being a good human being is easy…
Chatting with a buddy of mine this morning. He is looking at stuff he did in his life. He went to see the play, Annie, when he was a kid.
“They wouldn’t do Annie today, it’s too woke” I said. Then, it dawned on me. "I’m wrong. Annie would be totally fine.
Short review: 'An orphaned girl is bought by a billionaire real estate magnate and groomed at a luxury resort," would fit right in with the morals of a political party
Maxwell’s father worked for various intelligence agencies. This appears to be a blackmail operation by the Mossad and/or the CIA. The former Israeli Prime Minister visited Epstein’s home several times.
The uncle of the murdered Saudi journalist Jamal Kashoggi had extensive business dealings with Epstein and Israel and the current Saudi ruler MBS was a “friend” of Epstein according to Epstein. Kashoggi was murdered about 10 month prior to Epstein being murderes.
A lot of the evil of the world right now has been involved with Epstein in one way or another.
I think we have three major bad acts at play going on in the US, that I’ve been able to link to specific actors, at least. We have FBI and intelligence confirmed Russian misinformation campaigns exploiting our right to free speech. We have Chinese narcotic warfare (see Opium war), as posited by the DEA - fentanyl precursors are mostly Chinese. And we have the Epstein honeypot operation conducted by CIA/Mossad/Organized crime influencing policy for decades. See these two volumes.
There are way way more than that. Cyber campaigns by China, NorK and Iran, for examples.
Yeah, I just keep finding more lol. I think WW3 is a real possibility
You know I didn’t really think about that.
I know of the connection between Maxwell and Mossad.
Obviously Mossad needs a way to influence billionaires more than just money. The AIPAC (or whatever) has no real ability to sway them.
The sudden acceptance by western countries acknowledging Gaza a state? Could be that Mossad and AIPAC lost their influence.
The billionaires want Maxwell free because she gets them things they cant normally buy, plus other kickbacks from Israel I presume.
I don’t think it’s blackmailing the billionaires, it’s just out right not giving them what they want.
Yet another reason to not have billionaires.
Because we needed more of thosem
There’s a book about it.
Trump wouldn’t act that guilty if it was.
Why would he not act guilty? He was, at the very least, an unwitting asset.
Her father’s funeral was attended by multiple former Mossad chiefs. It’s believed he gave israel the bomb.
I’d definitely look in that direction.
It’s believed he gave israel the bomb.
I don’t think the timelines on this match up one bit. In fact I wonder what you’re trying to do by linking them. I’ll buy the mossad, their fingers are everywhere, but the israeli nuclear program predates epstein by decades. It would take them ages to get to the point where they could test their work - probably the Vela incident - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident - and at this time epstein was teaching teens math and science then went on to banking.
so I don’t understand how you conflate these things.
The commenter above is referring to Maxwell’s father, not Epstein.
well that’s a hell of a lot more plausible!
Just finding out? Hasn’t all of this been known for almost a decade now?
Epstein prosecutions started in 2006. https://apnews.com/article/trump-epstein-investigation-records-timeline-545c371ee3dd3142355a26d27829c188
we known it since 2019, when he epsteined himself. and it went back decades, the MSM did thier best to not report it for the last 4 years. because too many politicians, both US and the world leaders, plus many donors. just like with the panama papers.
Don’t forget, while the Qanon BS is flourishing, a former Speaker of the House (3rd in line to the presidecy) gets imprisoned for molesting at least four teenage boys.
The thing is:
The little things do matter. They shape who you are. They shape the lives of the people around you. They’re important.
But this is like a death-penalty-on-the-table-murder-trial being interrupted by a nuclear bomb. And that shit always happens.
Yes this other shit happens more, yes it’s a priority, and yes none of your everyday decency will influence it in the slightest, but it still matters.
You just also have to fix that other shit.
It’s not’nothing matters’ its ‘fuck, more work’.
Apparently this is not a shower thought🤔 /s
It’s a tough go for the people who believe in pacifism or nonviolent change.
Dual Power means you can have a pacifist stance and still support the radicals in your lane.
Not everyone needs to be a gunslinger for a resistance to succeed. Just do what you can when you have the chance.
I never meant to imply a pacifist would be required to engage in violence, only that they would have to indirectly support it at the very least, lest their own principles be engulfed by those who would see to their extinction.
