Cults are all fun and games until you get purged. It gets extra shitty when kids are involved, because they don’t really have a choice in the matter.
The ABC contacted the birth worker, but she declined an interview and advised reporters not to contact “any of the women or families I may or may not have served, past, present or future”.
Fucking galaxy brain thinking there.
Ah yes, yet another way to control and hurt women. The whole idea of medical care during birth is based on situations where you happen to need it. If things go well, they go well. Being at the hospital or having a midwife is about when things go off the rails. The vast majority of people want you and your child to survive childbirth, which is a dangerous and difficult process for many out there. Anyone who says “just don’t have help you might need, it’ll be fine” is either a liar or actively trying to harm you.
This is just another branch of “under the hood” religious nutjobiness like Tradwives which all boils down to active alt-right control over women.
My ex and I worked on a birth plan for our second child after her experience with our first was deeply unsatisfying. We discussed home birth but I insisted on a birthing center attached to a hospital in case something went sideways. She found an OB who listened to her, and we made clear what our birthing plan was, and that was respected by the medical staff. As it happened, the labor was smooth and relatively quick, and home birth would have been fine. I’m still glad we were at a facility where there would have been no lag between a problem arising and a doctor being able to address it.
How the hell do you blame this on religion or the alt right? Did you read the whole article? This is that earthy/hippy branch of conspiracy theorists who praise anything not “natural”. These aren’t MAGA anti vaccers or Christian fundamentalist. These are praise Gaia our Earth mother assholes who think water isn’t a chemical or Gwyneth Paltro vagina eggs are fine because women.
The cultist practices in general didn’t even have a religious motif nor a real political affiliation. The women in this group are hurting themselves by letting a bunch of dumbass women with zero medical training supervise their births. This is just stupid ppl listening to other stupid ppl
lol this guy thinks hippies aren’t right wing conspiracy freaks
They can be but unless I missed something the ppl in this article are clearly not right wingers
The pipeline from “crunchy to conspiracy” is very real. There always been some conspiracy on the left and far left of course don’t get me wrong but now with social media, algorithms, troll farms etc. those who are predisposed to conspiratorial thinking are going over the cliff. It was simply a matter of finding which topics they could exploit, like vaccines which originally mainly had those on the left being against them. You can still be very left while believing and supporting right wing ideas and policy because it has been presented to you in a way you find palatable and appealing and of course gives you plausible deniability that it’s actually some how not right wing allowing both your ego and identity to survive the shift.
A lot of far left supporters actually support some wildly oppressive, authoritarian and ableist ideas
group chats meant to support them
Some people honestly shouldn’t be using the internet.
It seems like every day one can discover another terminally stupid fringe group in the US.
This is Australia…
It is so loony, I automatically assumed that this was the US. You have such nutters downunder, too? Crazy.
They’re everywhere. It’s humans in general.
I don’t have them, because I don’t live in Australia. But nutters exist all over the world. However here on lemmy we just have a bunch of people who never read the article and assume it’s all about the United States because that’s what’s fun to mock today.
Yes, sadly we have social media access in Australia too, and the same loony shit that glues eyeballs to screens in the US and makes people choose poorly has the same affect here.
Yeah in the US they prefer more economic units of the right skin color to be born.
Recipe:
Fuck…no baby?..
Fuck again…
Fuck some more…
Baby!..OK you’re on your own!
Baby is now 5 years old… Go to jail! Baby is now 18… Shot accidentally… Oops we were looking for another guy…oops we didn’t have a warrant and the guy was sleeping but he came at us when he suddenly woke up… Oops brown…oops black…oops Asian oops Indian… Not worth as a human anyway… Blah blah blah cops.Such is America now.
The article is about Australia
Yes exactly. I’m just saying that oys definitely not American because here the mom is a criminal if you die before birth. Afterwards, who cares.
I understand your frustration but the article is about Australia
LOL.
Have some respect for the Australians of Lemmy. Stop acting like an American.
Do free brith means:
unregulated birth workers with no medical training, who provide emotional and physical support for women during pregnancy and birth.
Such a difficult time to not be around experts. Things like breech birth are scary.
3/4 of mine were born at home, but with midwife, 5 minutes from a hospital, and she won’t attend if you don’t agree to be transferred if necessary. Hospital birth when my kids were born really was over medicalized - the hospital by me had a C-section rate of over 50%, literally worse than a coin flip, they had you lay on your back, still, with monitors, it was designed to fail.
I think now the hospitals have come around to some of the home birth ideas, if you are low risk you can walk around, give birth in a position that works for you, eat and drink for longer, better chance of natural uncomplicated birth that way.
50% seems like an overstatement, but who cares if the hospital uses c-sections regularly? Much like people’s lower jaws are evolving to be smaller over time and we’re experiencing many health issues related to teeth overcrowding (due to people having processed food and needing to chew hard foods less often) - we’re experiencing changes in childbirth too. Women are having children much later in life in western nations, which causes narrower pelvises, and they’re having heavier babies… Both of which lead to much higher likelihood of natural birth complications, especially when you factor in the obesity epidemic. So yes, c-sections are becoming more common - to ensure the child and mother are safe through the birth.
I care, because C-section is much more dangerous for both mother and child, much harder to recover from major abdominal surgery than vaginal birth, reduces chance of successful breastfeeding, and because, since it wasn’t so high in other places, does imply they were routinely doing something to cause labor to stall. Which they were. And no, no way is 50% reasonable.
My youngest is 18, oldest 30. So this was not recent. They are down to 37% now, which is still out of line with hospital standards.
Caesarian is absolutely not ‘much more dangerous’ for mother and child, cite some evidence. 32% of all births in the US are caesarian, about the same in the UK, and over 50% of those are emergency c-sections after natural childbirth has proven impossible and the doctors have had to step in to save the mother and baby from death or lifelong injury or disability.
“Delivering a baby via cesarean section is generally considered safe, and in some instances is medically necessary and safer than a vaginal birth”
https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/how-many-c-sections-can-you-have
“The data shocked the study’s head author, Darine El-Chaâr, a perinatal researcher at the Ottawa hospital. In the planned vaginal birth group, there was a higher percentage of negative outcomes compared with the MRC [maternal-request, non-emergency c-section] group, driven by serious vaginal tears and babies admitted to intensive care. “I myself am challenged by the data,” she says, underlining that she believes vaginal birth is natural. “I wanted it to be the other way around.””
First it was at the hospital then it became me at the anti doctor. Now people aren’t paying $3,000 for no doula to be there
It’s like childbirth on goblin mode.
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