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RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to World News@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 year ago

Airline Demand Between Canada & United States Collapses, Down 70%+

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Airline Demand Between Canada & United States Collapses, Down 70%+

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Future flight bookings between Canada and the United States are down by over 70% year-over-year in the summer months. WOW.
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    It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:

    • Australia
    • Belgium
    • Canada
    • Denmark
    • Finland
    • France
    • Germany
    • Ireland
    • Mexico
    • Netherlands
    • New Zealand
    • Norway
    • Portugal
    • United Kingdom
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        If you think about it, these are government announcements, it’s just over two months since the excrement started hitting the rotating equipment.

        In that time a country needs to take note of the change in circumstances to its citizens, verify that it’s happening systemically and not occasionally, formulate a response, approve the response, and then publish it.

        Much of the border issues didn’t appear to be visible until a month or so ago.

        In other words, I think that this is lightening fast as diplomatic responses go.

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          …it’s just over two months since the excrement started hitting the rotating equipment.

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          Likely because these motions were put in place after the first Trump term.

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        Those are rookie numbers. We haven’t even gone full fascism.

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        I know in the case of the UK it only happened after a UK citizen was detained, I think Germany might be the same as well

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        Many of the rest already knew.

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        I’ve updated it a couple of times, it’s getting longer.

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        US allies? I don’t see Russia on the list.

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          As a UK citizen, we know there’s a difference between the government and the people. You definitely have a serious problem, but you’ve not been abandoned. We have issues with Trump and his cronies, not the people of America.

          We might be a bit stumped on what we can actually do to help, but you’re not alone.

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            The people of the US made this happen and continue to enable it every day tho. It’s a little sad and pathetic that suddenly the 2nd amendment patriots have all mysteriously gone silent.

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            Did you accidentally reply to wrong comment? I’m not American.

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      realistically it’s also dangerous to travel to the US if you’re in the US

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      Germany

      I don’t know for other countries, but Germany has not issued any travel warnings. The page with information to the US is the following: https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/service/laender/usa-node/usavereinigtestaatensicherheit-201382. It contains only information, but no advisory against traveling which a warning usually contains stuff that one might call warnings, but they formally aren’t. Compare it with https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250: The title of the page contains “(Reisewarnung)” which translates to “warning against travel”. The page contains the wording “Vor Reisen nach X wird gewarnt”. Only those constitute a warning. No such warning can be found on the page about the US.

      Personally, I can only advise against traveling there, but the page for the US has existed basically always. New information was added this month, but the official status / stance on US travel hasn’t changed: the US is on the same level as France and Spain.

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        It appears that Germany has updated their information several times. So much so that your second link gives me a 404 error. There are multiple reports stating that Germany issued a travel warning. The most recent I could find is from three days ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/foreign-travel-warnings-about-us-travel.html

        There are updates that are older than this that state that Germany changed its report and clarified that they weren’t issuing a travel warning specifically, just heightened caution. That seems like “some form of warning” to me.

        Australia has similar wording. While it describes the situation as “Green”, it talks about heightened levels of alert and crime.

        This is precisely why I worded my post: “It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:” (emphasis added).

        I think that the wording that Germany is using falls under this heading.

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          the second link is just incorrectly linked in the comment, as the colon is included in it. it should be https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250

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          It appears that Germany has updated their information several times. So much so that your second link gives me a 404 error

          It hasn’t been updated, but Lemmy thinks the colon is part of the URL. https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/reiseundsicherheit/suedsudansicherheit-244250 it’s not about the US but South Sudan, to show what an official travel warning looks like. The US page is just advisory.

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      Norway has also issued a travel warning for trans people going to the US

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        Source?

        Edit: found it https://www.newsweek.com/norway-issues-travel-warning-us-2051890

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      Source?

      Canada does not seem to have any advisory. https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/advisories

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