Edits are date/time stamped. My unedited comment included all 9 items in the very first submit. I later made a minor edit to correct some typos and spelling errors. You can see the timestamp of my edit was 7 hours ago. Your replay was posted 5 hours ago…that’s 2 hours AFTER my only edit.
I misremembered. I see the 3-thing comment I was talking about. It wasn’t you. A lot is going on. My bad.
First, let’s be clear about something…my originaal comment was challenging the article’s assertion that they only had a “sole purpose”. That’s their quote. If you believe that words still have meaning, then you should understand that “sole purpose” means “one and only one purpose”. So I don’t need to name 6 other purposes, I just need to name 1 other purpose. But I’m going to smash your naive challenge anyway and give you multiple.
Here are your points:
From the perspective of the people who built them (the manufacturer), the “purpose” is to sell guns, not to kill as many people as fast as possible.
Its purpose is to be sold? Not a purpose of the gun.
For the vast majority of people that buy them, the sole purpose is to sit in a box or a case and never be used
You are saying that the purpose of a gun is to go in a box. Not a purpose. A shoes purpose is not to go in a box.
Recreational shooting (not to be confused with target/practice shooting)
Yea let’s get that eneegy out woo! How fun. What are the bullets doing to the targets?
Marksmanship and Training (target practice)
Accuracy practice. Finesse. What are the bullets doing to the targets?
Hunting (animals)
People gotta eat. What does the gun do to the animal?
Defense (against potentially dangerous animals)
Need to stay safe. What happens to the dangerous animal?
Defense (against potentially dangerous people)
Same as above. Safety is important. What happena to the dangerous people?
Show of force. Next to #2, this is probably the most common purpose.
What is the implicit threat of this show?
Building/assembly. This is an aspect that a lot of people really enjoy
I’m not trying to say it isn’t fun to do that, but it isn’t a gun’s purpose. No vendor is selling their guns advertising how fun they are to make up.
So my comment absolutely addressed your 9 points. Voila, the abbriged version. And now the comment:
I’m not trying to fight. My statement is that guns are used for destruction. That’s it.
I am not saying to get rid of guns, to not go target shooting.
Guns are tools of destruction. I don’t understand why saying that fact is causing distress.
I am saying guns are tools of destruction. Every single use for a gun shooting a bullet is to harm a target.
That’s it.
Keep doing all the fun things you like to do.
The only thing i am saying is guns are meant to destroy. You provided only examples with destruction. (And some non-examples)
No vendor is selling their guns advertising how fun they are to make up.
This is a huge part of the build community, vendors know it, and vendors specifically cater to it. In fact, there in an entire industry built up around supporting and selling to this community. I have no idea how you can make this claim from the position of complete ignorance on the topic.
You are saying that the purpose of a gun is to go in a box. Not a purpose. A shoes purpose is not to go in a box.
Yes, and that’s true for the vast majority of them. Most are just display pieces that are never even fired.
Yea let’s get that eneegy out woo! How fun. What are the bullets doing to the targets?
It’s not for you to shit on what another person finds fun. That’s pretty lame of you and is a textbook ad hominem fallacy. Blanks don’t do anything to targets. Neither does laser gear, which is very popular these days for indoor practice. Bullets that hit a target, obvious go into or through the target…which, for the vast majority of bullets fired, is either a paper target or a piece of wood.
People gotta eat. What does the gun do to the animal?
Ideally…kills it swiftly. You’re point? Are you forgetting that the only part of the article that I challenged was that the “sole purpose is to kill people as fast as possible”? You love trying to move goalposts and get onto tangents don’t you? You do understand that killing-animals is not killing-people right?
Need to stay safe. What happens to the dangerous animal?
Answered this already. The linked article is saying “sole purpose is to kill people as fast as possible”…so why are you continuing to imply that animals are people?
I’m not trying to say it isn’t fun to do that, but it isn’t a gun’s purpose. No vendor is selling their guns advertising how fun they are to make up.
Yes it is, and yes they are. There’s an entire community built up around this along with vendors who directly support those communities.
The only thing i am saying is guns are meant to destroy.
Some are. Lots aren’t. And even among the some that are, it’s not necessarily humans and not always “as fast as possible”. I’m not disagreeing that we need to change the way we think about guns and make changes. But that’s not the topic of this debate. The topic of this debate is whether the sole purpose of them is to kill people as fast as possible. And that’s clearly not the sole purpose. They have a lot of other purposes. I’ve demonstrated that. Just go look at the statistics. As of 2020, there were about 20 MILLION AR15 style firearms in the US. If the sole purpose for them was to kill people as fast as possible, we’d already be extinct a thousand times over. We’re not…because that’s not their sole purpose.
Asking to hear your thoughts is not taunting. You made a claim and I wanted to hear the answer.
Your post only had 3 items when i originally saw it. My comment made sense before you edited in the rest. I didnt see it all.
Edits are date/time stamped. My unedited comment included all 9 items in the very first submit. I later made a minor edit to correct some typos and spelling errors. You can see the timestamp of my edit was 7 hours ago. Your replay was posted 5 hours ago…that’s 2 hours AFTER my only edit.
I misremembered. I see the 3-thing comment I was talking about. It wasn’t you. A lot is going on. My bad.
Here are your points:
Its purpose is to be sold? Not a purpose of the gun.
You are saying that the purpose of a gun is to go in a box. Not a purpose. A shoes purpose is not to go in a box.
Yea let’s get that eneegy out woo! How fun. What are the bullets doing to the targets?
Accuracy practice. Finesse. What are the bullets doing to the targets?
People gotta eat. What does the gun do to the animal?
Need to stay safe. What happens to the dangerous animal?
Same as above. Safety is important. What happena to the dangerous people?
What is the implicit threat of this show?
I’m not trying to say it isn’t fun to do that, but it isn’t a gun’s purpose. No vendor is selling their guns advertising how fun they are to make up.
So my comment absolutely addressed your 9 points. Voila, the abbriged version. And now the comment:
I am saying guns are tools of destruction. Every single use for a gun shooting a bullet is to harm a target.
That’s it.
Keep doing all the fun things you like to do.
The only thing i am saying is guns are meant to destroy. You provided only examples with destruction. (And some non-examples)
I am not saying anything else.
Please understand.
This is a huge part of the build community, vendors know it, and vendors specifically cater to it. In fact, there in an entire industry built up around supporting and selling to this community. I have no idea how you can make this claim from the position of complete ignorance on the topic.
Yes, and that’s true for the vast majority of them. Most are just display pieces that are never even fired.
It’s not for you to shit on what another person finds fun. That’s pretty lame of you and is a textbook ad hominem fallacy. Blanks don’t do anything to targets. Neither does laser gear, which is very popular these days for indoor practice. Bullets that hit a target, obvious go into or through the target…which, for the vast majority of bullets fired, is either a paper target or a piece of wood.
Ideally…kills it swiftly. You’re point? Are you forgetting that the only part of the article that I challenged was that the “sole purpose is to kill people as fast as possible”? You love trying to move goalposts and get onto tangents don’t you? You do understand that killing-animals is not killing-people right?
Answered this already. The linked article is saying “sole purpose is to kill people as fast as possible”…so why are you continuing to imply that animals are people?
Yes it is, and yes they are. There’s an entire community built up around this along with vendors who directly support those communities.
Some are. Lots aren’t. And even among the some that are, it’s not necessarily humans and not always “as fast as possible”. I’m not disagreeing that we need to change the way we think about guns and make changes. But that’s not the topic of this debate. The topic of this debate is whether the sole purpose of them is to kill people as fast as possible. And that’s clearly not the sole purpose. They have a lot of other purposes. I’ve demonstrated that. Just go look at the statistics. As of 2020, there were about 20 MILLION AR15 style firearms in the US. If the sole purpose for them was to kill people as fast as possible, we’d already be extinct a thousand times over. We’re not…because that’s not their sole purpose.