• Saleh@feddit.org
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    8 hours ago

    So the executive can pardon crimes in advance in case the next executive might decide to criminally persecute people, even though they probably never did anything criminal to begin with? But despite the fact, that the next executive can just arbitrarily convict people criminally, they would respect that preemptive pardon?

    America, this is not how division of power and state of law works. Heck the Sovjet Union under Stalin probably made more effort to appear as a state of law.

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      8 hours ago

      No, the executive CANNOT arbitrarily convict anyone. In fact, the whole grand/petite jury system exists specifically because we assume that the administration might be a petty tyrannical jerk.

      The key feature of American federalism isn’t the polite myth that is “rule of law”. No country is,since the laws are all dependent on people to carry them out. Instead,it’s “separation of power”.

      Trump is going to do terrible and shameful things, as Biden did terrible and shameful things, but the ultimate check on his would-be tyranny will be the greed and pride of the Republicans in Congress and on the court.

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          It’s the inevitable outcome of identity politics. “You are asking me to change who I am” can only, will only and has always ended in violence and hatred. Bad faith actors inflame the situation and cry persecution because politics = belief once you’ve let the holy spirit get in bed with politicians. Just more bad actors.

          If actions cannot have consequences then it’s chaos and you need to burn it all down.

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            This is a bad take on identity politics, unless you “identify” as a jerk who doesn’t care about others and wants to be sexist, transphobic, or racist.

            Identity politics is “we should organize people based on how they categorize themselves”, and that’s bad for a whole list of reasons but not any of what you said.

            The thing you’re talking about really does exist, but I think “you must change who you are” may have a more precise name.

            I think that “puritanical”, “tyrannical”, or “bigoted” politics may be more accurate.

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              What i meant was people acting in bad faith will not compromise “because that’s who i am” makes for a very difficult situation.

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                Agreed on that. “But I’m an evangelical, and recognizing their gender is against my beliefs!” is a hell of a bad take, and deserves to be properly labeled as the bigotry that it is.

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                  Not to mention that it’s bad theology. There were plenty of folk in Roman Israel who lived as what we now call homosexual or transgender, and there’s no way that the Word of Omniscient God Made Flesh was ignorant of them, and yet the sum total of what Jesus said mentioned neither at all.

                  (Title caps since it’s said as an alias, not for emphasis. Separate comment because politics and religion are properly separate.)

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      8 hours ago

      We are very aware of this. Unless and until the worker/pleb class can get its shit together and stop fighting a stupid culture war to focus on the class war, this is just gonna get worse.

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      8 hours ago

      America. Trying to emulate every aspect of the game Monopoly.

      I guess other chance cards are next since the “get of jail free” card is implemented…

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      7 hours ago

      Yes, the president can pardon people who haven’t yet been charged with a crime.

      This isn’t new, for example Carter pardoned all draft dodgers regardless of whether they had yet been charged.

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      This is so fucked, the whole idea for rotating power is to catch these people, you know similar to criminal in Trump camp, if he leave office and democrat win, they should go after them.

      What crazy is, Fauci denied many thing even though he was involve in research with corona virus in bat and should be aware of the research the Wuhan facility was doing. He should defiantly be looked into. If he is innocent, then is all good let the “Judaical” branch decide that. I understand his son, even if it is fucked considering Trump now will do the same for his family, but federal worker should never be protected.