• jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    14 hours ago

    No one is asking her to do anything as VP, this person is saying harris is committed to enabling israel’s genocide and has a history of supporting israel unconditionally. we want her to commit to upholding american laws around not supplying arms genocidal regimes as president; which israel categorically is currently. literally every organization that has investigated israeli conduct in Gaza and now Lebanon has come to the same conclusion. The UN, WHO, our own internal analysis.

    They’ve gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.

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      13 hours ago

      They’ve gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.

      How many of the dead hostages would you say Hamas is responsible for?

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        9 hours ago

        I’d probably lay the majority at their feet. between turning the region into a war zone, starvation etc, the chances of them surviving the situation is close to zero. as far as wikipedia is concerned out of the 251 hostages

        • 117 were returned by hamas in a prisoner exchange.
        • 4 were released unilaterally by hamas.
        • 8 were rescued by IDF.
        • 34 bodies have been retrieved (likely dead due to the war zone)
        • 3 bodies returned through unspecified means.

        so frankly Israel’s track record here for ‘rescuing’ the hostages is pretty abysmal. and I can’t think of a worse way than to turn a region into a war zone to rescue them. so far it looks like hamas has been fairly willing to negotiate prisoner releases. who knows if thats still the case though. since you know we killed off the leader who was looking to get a peace deal. but I doubt many more are going to be returned alive after this. I feel for those families and its unfortunate their countries leadership is going to get most of them killed.

        but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter who killed those hostages. they’re dead and nothing will change that. all I know is turning the region into a blood bath didn’t help their chances.

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          6 hours ago

          How many of these people do you think would be dead if Hamas hadn’t kidnapped them?

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            How many people was Israel holding prisoner indefinitely and without charge or access to any representation? I’ll answer that for you, a bit over 12000.

            How many of those killed on Oct 7 were killed by Israeli forces?

            How many innocents have been raped or murdered in isralei custody?

            How many dead journalists? Doctors? Aid workers? How many utilities workers (6 more mudered yesterday). Say what you want, each and every one of those deaths is a war crime.

            How many attacks on the UN and UN workers?

            Israel has far far dirtier hands than anyone else so I dont think you get to self righteously open with, “How many of these people do you think would be dead if Hamas hadn’t kidnapped them?”.

            Ridiculous nonsense.