And the best way to affect change is to throw a vote at a losing candidate and not, say, elect local candidates who can actually affect political and legal change in the nation. No, just gotta add to the literal hundreds of Stein supporters in making it heard that they vaguely dislike american democracy but are totally fine with the entire system collapsing into fascism because, uh… dont sell gun abroad (or something)
your not voting tactically because your vote counts equally as much either way. There’s nothing “tactical” about voting for people who push policies one doesn’t support.
Yes, there is, the other option will advance the nation faster into full theocratic fascism. If you cannot tell one of the two viable options is less awful you need to get a clue.
Of the two of us, I am the only one making a decision that would cause my vote to make an impact. You are extremely ignorant of the world and of very basic game theory. A lemmy.ml instance account, of course.
What interests does Jill Stein actually represent for the people? The green party has never held a local office and she only ever pops up during the election for fundraising. If the green party actually did anything aside from campaigning for the presidency, no one would have this criticism.
off the top of my head, she’s the only one calling for a full arms embargo of Israel, and also the only one pushing for medicare for all. she has also consistently criticized trump and biden’s immigration policies. all of this aligns with my interests, and so she is who I will most likely vote for.
As of 2023, no nominee of the Green Party has been elected to office in the federal government.
Yeah, they’re real committed. 23 years and they haven’t even gotten a single congressman elected.
142 local elected officials out of literally tens of thousands across the country. But Jill Stein manages to pop up every 4 years to run for president. She becomes especially loud in the years when the elections look relatively close. And, like her predecessor Ralph Nader, she’s got environmental ideas (most of which have been adopted by the Democratic party) but the only other thoughts on policy are criticism of the Democrats with no actual agendas or ideas for fixing things as president. She says “stop selling arms to Israel!”. Ok, sure. How does the democratic presidential candidate say they are gonna do that without pissing of AIPAC and having them throw every dime at their disposal to get Trump elected instead? Hell, she doesn’t even engage with Republicans. Just democrats for some reason. I wonder why that is… Oh, yeah. Cause she’s there to spoil the election. That is her only purpose. Saying anything else is disingenuous.
I’m just shocked at the vanity of people aggressively voting third party. They value the purity of their voting record more than other people’s lives. They think they’re the first generation to figure out morality or the secret cheat code to change the system.
democracy enjoyers when people vote for parties that best represent their interests: 😡😡😡😡😡😡
One might argue that a two-party system (with the electoral college the way it is) is not a democracy
the system devised by wealthy landowners to keep power out of the hands of common people isn’t actually a democracy? I’m shocked. Shocked, I say!
So you admit the average voter needs to accept they aren’t in a functional democracy and do damage control until the revolution, cool.
And the best way to affect change is to throw a vote at a losing candidate and not, say, elect local candidates who can actually affect political and legal change in the nation. No, just gotta add to the literal hundreds of Stein supporters in making it heard that they vaguely dislike american democracy but are totally fine with the entire system collapsing into fascism because, uh… dont sell gun abroad (or something)
I would argue that. FPTP, you either vote tactically or the vote doesn’t count towards the final results. That’s not real democracy to me.
your not voting tactically because your vote counts equally as much either way. There’s nothing “tactical” about voting for people who push policies one doesn’t support.
Yes, there is, the other option will advance the nation faster into full theocratic fascism. If you cannot tell one of the two viable options is less awful you need to get a clue.
No there isn’t. An advocacy for a lesser evil still implies evil. You need to get an education.
You’re deliberately ignoring the reality of FPTP voting and saying other people are uneducated. Again, please get a clue.
Your deliberately ignoring the amount of impact your single vote has. Again, please get an education.
Of the two of us, I am the only one making a decision that would cause my vote to make an impact. You are extremely ignorant of the world and of very basic game theory. A lemmy.ml instance account, of course.
What interests does Jill Stein actually represent for the people? The green party has never held a local office and she only ever pops up during the election for fundraising. If the green party actually did anything aside from campaigning for the presidency, no one would have this criticism.
off the top of my head, she’s the only one calling for a full arms embargo of Israel, and also the only one pushing for medicare for all. she has also consistently criticized trump and biden’s immigration policies. all of this aligns with my interests, and so she is who I will most likely vote for.
this is wrong. As of the November 7, 2023 elections, at least 142 Greens hold elected office. I found this with 2 seconds of googling.
Yeah, they’re real committed. 23 years and they haven’t even gotten a single congressman elected.
142 local elected officials out of literally tens of thousands across the country. But Jill Stein manages to pop up every 4 years to run for president. She becomes especially loud in the years when the elections look relatively close. And, like her predecessor Ralph Nader, she’s got environmental ideas (most of which have been adopted by the Democratic party) but the only other thoughts on policy are criticism of the Democrats with no actual agendas or ideas for fixing things as president. She says “stop selling arms to Israel!”. Ok, sure. How does the democratic presidential candidate say they are gonna do that without pissing of AIPAC and having them throw every dime at their disposal to get Trump elected instead? Hell, she doesn’t even engage with Republicans. Just democrats for some reason. I wonder why that is… Oh, yeah. Cause she’s there to spoil the election. That is her only purpose. Saying anything else is disingenuous.
If intent matters and results don’t, I’ll write in my favorite fictional candidate!
That’s correct. Intent is the only thing that matters, not results. Fun fact: your fictional candidate will get the same number of EC votes as Stein.
I’m just shocked at the vanity of people aggressively voting third party. They value the purity of their voting record more than other people’s lives. They think they’re the first generation to figure out morality or the secret cheat code to change the system.
No you don’t understand you have to vote the genocidal capitalist pig
FPTP systems can hardly be called democracy. Like it or not, the spoiler effect is the problem here.