• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    Any other vulnerable minorities you want to throw under the bus while you’re at it?

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      1. do you think winning an election is about the popular vote?

      2. do you think the Democrats are more likely to support trans rights?

      If you answered yes to both, then maybe don’t suggest importing wedge issues into something that’s about the popular vote?

      Do you want to give Trump more voters? Because that’s what you’re angling for. That’s what the headline is suggesting to do.

      You’re mistaking wanting the most minority supporting side of politics to win the election for not supporting minorities? How the fuck doesn’t that even make sense.

      Kamala’s job is currently defensive, dodge dodge dodge, stay clean, watch Trump get dirty and sink. It’s simple.

      As soon as she’s won, then it’s time to be very very very noisy (and violent) on progressive and socialist issues again. But right now that’s only going to act as a kind of sabotage.

      Which is fine if you’re an accelerationist who sees value to strengthening American Fascism. But I just want to try to end the Republican party.

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        If you answered yes to both

        I answered no to both.

        Do you want to give Trump more voters?

        The only argument any centrist has when they move to the right like they all want to.

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          So you don’t believe they need the popular vote to win and you believe that the Republicans would be better at defending trans rights?

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            I don’t accept that defending trans SAFETY is a losing election issue.

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              Have you spent any time in right wing spaces, or listened to the new generation describing themselves as “classical liberals”. They’re swing voters and it’s pretty important to them.

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                Have you spent any time in right wing spaces

                Yes, let’s just do everything we can to abandon every last minority centrists consider expendable in order to peel off a total of zero votes from fascists.

                They’re not going to vote for you, no matter how many vulnerable minorities you throw under the bus. You’ve had fucking decades to figure this out, and it looks like you’re just throwing people under the bus because you like the thumping sounds.

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                  All powerful me who you can attack rather than try to convince. A microcosm for your general approach of yelling. Your goals and demands, kept vague at best.

                  I doubt you even know what you’re asking for.

                  There’s a timeline to installing trans rights, it requires adjustments to the Supreme Court.

                  But I’m aware that you’re not thinking that far ahead in a planned or tactical manner, and your plans are: be loud, make demands, be radical.

                  But you’ve not actually outlined much more than that, so there’s nothing to debate with you.

                  Good day, good luck with your imaginary bus, and me as the all powerful deity controlling who gets pushed under.

                  No idea what you’re on about unfortunately, but you seem very vocal about whatever it is.

                  [Edit: No, I get it, you want to create a polemic against Trump’s obvious lies, treating them as if they’re worth addressing rather than let him melt under the scrutiny of the general population https://i.redd.it/m2pzcfjk77md1.png… But that’s not necessary. Let’s not make his lies into a false balance situation. Just let him look foolish instead.]

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                    There’s a timeline to installing trans rights,

                    Still settin’ timeframes.

                    But I’m aware that you’re not thinking that far ahead in a planned or tactical manner, and your plans are: be loud, make demands, be radical.

                    I’m aware that you’re stalling until the party can abandon trans people like it abandoned undocumented immigrants.

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              It is when that’s considered woke and you’ve got a ton of your own electors that have been brainwashed into thinking woke bad

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                  If your goal is to not let the Republicans win? Just look at what the Democrats at the various levels of government are actually doing even though they never make it a point to talk about it while they’re campaigning and understand that there’s a fucking good reason why they don’t.

                  Hell, you need to be pretty self centered to believe that trans people are the only repressed people that don’t get talked about but still benefit from having the Democrats in power vs the Republicans. They can’t cover every single group.

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                    If your goal is to not let the Republicans win?

                    A. The goal should be to achieve progress, not win elections

                    B. That involves making the case for that progress, not capitulating to popular opinion that’s been fabricated by conservative media

                    But that’s only if you’re not operating on a dialectical-materialist political analysis, because if you were you’d understand that real progress can’t be made through simple electoral victories. Abandoning minority protections in exchange for electoral power is how America has operated since its founding.

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            I believe that the popular vote isn’t sufficient to win, as it wasn’t when Clinton lost with the popular vote.

            I believe Democrats won’t protect trans rights, either.

            You’ve chosen to be dishonest as fuck about my positions.

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              She didn’t get the popular vote where it mattered, popular vote is still what is needed

              So you think it’s just as likely they won’t protect trans right as it is likely the Republicans won’t? Because that was the question.

              Looking at Democrat’s States vs Republican States it’s pretty clear you’re wrong about that second part.

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                She didn’t get the popular vote where it mattered, popular vote is still what is needed

                Trump won without it.

                So you think it’s just as likely they won’t protect trans right as it is likely the Republicans won’t?

                I don’t trust either of them at all on this issue. I think they’re just itching to throw another vulnerable minority under the bus like they did with the undocumented immigrants you’re using Republican talking points about.

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                  Republicans do bad thing

                  Democrats try but fail to completely stop it

                  “Why did Democrats do this bad thing??” - Ensign_Crab

                  Every time without fail, it’s a classic

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                    How does adopting Republican border policy count as trying and failing to stop Republican policy?

                    Oh wait, you don’t care. You’re just happy they moved to the right.

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                  Again, she didn’t get the popular vote WHERE IT MATTERED, first past the post still requires popular vote, just not at a national level.

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                    Again, she didn’t get the popular vote WHERE IT MATTERED

                    That wasn’t the question I initially answered, is it?