Do you think there are circumstances where queer people deserve to be tortured? He moved there for work, but your victim blaming would be just as gross even if he did it for fun.
With that said, there are some shithole countries where laws are… Well, shit. And we can’t change those laws. Going there, work or fun, is a risk that I’d never assume, not for all the money in the world. Money is useless if a shitty government decides you should be executed under the charges of being yourself.
This guy has my sympathy for what happened to him, that shouldn’t happen in 2024, but does he really think Qatar would admit in any way to human right violations towards a “gay foreigner”?
Not everyone can afford to not take work. Queer people are more likely to be fired and refused jobs because they’re queer, and that frequently means needing to take horrible jobs in horrible places just to survive.
but does he really think
I don’t mean this in a snarky way, try waterboarding yourself for 5 seconds and then consider if you would be in any way rational after sustained torture. Torture fucks you up in horrible ways, and I don’t think we should be criticizing this man for how he reacted to the injustice he faced.
He’s British-Mexican. I am sure he had several choices before Qatar to go get a job. I understand most of us can’t afford to not take work, but work shouldn’t come at the expense of your life. And in shitholes like Qatar, that is a possibility too plausible to just ignore.
Lastly, I understand that right after torture you’re never rational. But he tried to appeal the case, and he’s disappointed that they ignored the appeal. I doubt he made these declarations right after the torture. He probably made them days or weeks later, I’d assume he regained his sanity by then.
I don’t see why. I’m not saying what happened to him was deserved. I’m just saying that expecting a country like Qatar, with a not short list of human rights violations (among the things) , accepts they violated human rights of a gay foreigner (and yeah, this is relevant for a country that hates both gays and foreigners) is unreasonable.
Likewise I think your blind ignorance of how stupid it is to go to a country like Qatar while gay is pretty fucked up and gonna cost other people the same fate.
There aren’t. However, if one country’s laws says “we torture lgbt its a crime”, why would you move there as a queer, where your existence is considered a crime? Surely there are other job opportunities at other places that don’t think that way.
Not everyone can afford to not take work. Queer people are more likely to be fired and refused jobs because they’re queer, and that frequently means needing to take horrible jobs in horrible places just to survive.
Surely there are other job opportunities at other places that don’t think that way.
There really aren’t. In the past year every queer person I know has been fired and/or severely abused at their job and now they can’t find new work. I get that it’s hard for a lot of people to consider literally being unhireable, but that’s what queers are experiencing right now.
Oh no I wanted to make more money so I volunteered to work at the leopard factory and they ate my face.
Hey maybe don’t move to violent shitholes for work. Don’t support their economy and enable their crimes against humanity. And especially don’t do it for 7 years.
I have as much empathy for him as I would myself if I got hit by a car because I ran onto the highway.
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Do you think there are circumstances where queer people deserve to be tortured? He moved there for work, but your victim blaming would be just as gross even if he did it for fun.
Nobody should be tortured for being queer.
With that said, there are some shithole countries where laws are… Well, shit. And we can’t change those laws. Going there, work or fun, is a risk that I’d never assume, not for all the money in the world. Money is useless if a shitty government decides you should be executed under the charges of being yourself.
This guy has my sympathy for what happened to him, that shouldn’t happen in 2024, but does he really think Qatar would admit in any way to human right violations towards a “gay foreigner”?
Not everyone can afford to not take work. Queer people are more likely to be fired and refused jobs because they’re queer, and that frequently means needing to take horrible jobs in horrible places just to survive.
I don’t mean this in a snarky way, try waterboarding yourself for 5 seconds and then consider if you would be in any way rational after sustained torture. Torture fucks you up in horrible ways, and I don’t think we should be criticizing this man for how he reacted to the injustice he faced.
He’s British-Mexican. I am sure he had several choices before Qatar to go get a job. I understand most of us can’t afford to not take work, but work shouldn’t come at the expense of your life. And in shitholes like Qatar, that is a possibility too plausible to just ignore.
Lastly, I understand that right after torture you’re never rational. But he tried to appeal the case, and he’s disappointed that they ignored the appeal. I doubt he made these declarations right after the torture. He probably made them days or weeks later, I’d assume he regained his sanity by then.
You’re spending a lot of time scrutinizing the actions of a man who was just tortured for being gay. What are you trying to argue?
Nothing. I just explained my position. Which I thought needed clarification after your comment about it.
I think that’s a pretty fucked up position to hold I’m not gonna lie.
I don’t see why. I’m not saying what happened to him was deserved. I’m just saying that expecting a country like Qatar, with a not short list of human rights violations (among the things) , accepts they violated human rights of a gay foreigner (and yeah, this is relevant for a country that hates both gays and foreigners) is unreasonable.
Likewise I think your blind ignorance of how stupid it is to go to a country like Qatar while gay is pretty fucked up and gonna cost other people the same fate.
There aren’t. However, if one country’s laws says “we torture lgbt its a crime”, why would you move there as a queer, where your existence is considered a crime? Surely there are other job opportunities at other places that don’t think that way.
I’m just gonna copy and paste a previous post.
Not everyone can afford to not take work. Queer people are more likely to be fired and refused jobs because they’re queer, and that frequently means needing to take horrible jobs in horrible places just to survive.
There really aren’t. In the past year every queer person I know has been fired and/or severely abused at their job and now they can’t find new work. I get that it’s hard for a lot of people to consider literally being unhireable, but that’s what queers are experiencing right now.
Oh no I wanted to make more money so I volunteered to work at the leopard factory and they ate my face.
Hey maybe don’t move to violent shitholes for work. Don’t support their economy and enable their crimes against humanity. And especially don’t do it for 7 years.
I have as much empathy for him as I would myself if I got hit by a car because I ran onto the highway.
I agree with you. I would have gladly had him with my Bible Study group.
Christians would have done the same to him if we didn’t seperate them from government.
Shit this would happen to him in Christian countries in Africa.
Man fuck that very literal victim blaming. We can recognise how depraved and wrong the law is but still blame someone who is a victim?
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