• Usernamealreadyinuse@lemmy.world
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    Who would have expected this? Surprised pikachu

    But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)

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      Yeah, but he was stripped of all of his power. Wagner group is being rolled into the state military. The opportunity for Wagner to push back and or give Putin the boot has passed.

      And, this dude was also an evil corrupt piece of shit. If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.

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        He was a straight-up Neo-Nazi and named the group after Hitler’s favorite composer. So yeah, he would have been infinitely worse than Putin… and that’s saying something.

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            This baffles me. That anyone would idolize Nazism is baffling, but particularly Russians. I mean does nobody remember Stalingrad?

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              Anything you hear from Russia, you can just as well forget, it’s nothing but propaganda, lies, spin, and disinformation. They use Nazi guys like Wagner to fight what they call “Nazis” in Ukraine. It’s the “we fake it so hard that people couldn’t believe it someone would lie that bad” tactic. Never engage with Russia / Russians who aren’t publicly opposed to Putin and the status quo. You can only waste time.

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          Yep Prigozhin was a monster. My only regret is that he and Putin didn’t die together with their hands around each other’s throats. And in other news, I think I’ll have tacos for lunch from my favorite local hole-in-the-wall…

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            When the short insurrection by Wagner was going on, I had hoped so much that Prigo and Putin somehow annihilate each other, or at least the hardliners in military and mercenaries perish in infighting. Sadly, all we got was confusion on that day.

            At least if Prigo’s death now ends up being confirmed, there won’t be that much confusion on why it happened, only some details will remain unclear.

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            My only regret is that he and Putin didn’t die together with their hands around each other’s throats naked.

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        Wagners are straight up fleeing into neighboring countries and Africa. They must have read the history books about what happens when one warlord assimilates another’s forces (they kill them quietly and easily now that they’re disarmed).

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        Yup.

        A couple months ago? There would be an argument that he could do more good than bad.

        Yesterday? He was a powerless nazi thug

        Today? Maybe he is in exile. Maybe he is a charred corpse on the ground. Either way, one less nazi.

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          Seems like most reasonable folks didn’t think he’d reform Russia. The only “good” he’d cause would be unrest that would force Russia to pull out of invading their democratic neighbors.

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            I don’t think anyone expected a reform.

            But it would have been a comparatively bloodless coup by a powerful military figure that would likely have ended the current war in Ukraine. As opposed to the likely outcomes of

            1. putin finally loses it and hits the red button (which is actually a lot harder in russia, to my understanding, but is still a threat)
            2. Some less powerful individual(s) attempt a coup and we end up with warlords vying for control of russia’s nuclear arsenal

            Like, there is no good outcome of this. But prigozhin probably would have been the lesser of the evils as it would start another cycle of russia preparing for war (and ravaging The Global South but… nobody cares about them) and allowing The West to try and prop up a more palatable person to take control in a future coup.

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        If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.

        He would at least cause a schism between the putin fanatics and everyone else.

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      But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)

      Replacing one dictator with another who has the support of something like the Wagner group would not have been good for anyone but the Wagner group.

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        There would be no clean replacement. It would get very bloody and chaotic. Not a bad hypothetical scenario. But that ship has sailed when Prihozhin surrendered (he didn’t stand much of a chance anyway).

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      The most surprising thing here is that nine people were willing to get on a plane with Prigozhin. That’s arguably much closer to actual suicide than any of the convenient window deaths that keep happening.

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      Somehow I always thought they would poison him. More personal. But if he brought his own water, I suppose this saves everybody some time.

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        I honestly thought he’d go via the classic window fall, but this was far more original.

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      It’s not like Putin and his closest cronies are in any way competent. They are removing anyone who dared to criticize. Before the coup Prigozhin, Girkin were allowed to say whatever they wanted as long as they did not undermine the general effort. Now Putin’s inner circle will ultimately disconnect themselves from reality: govern the country and the war from a bunker filled with scared yes-sayers with no alternative voices.