• Thief_of_Crows@lemmy.ml
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    If every liberal on the internet calls me a Russian agent when I am not, you think that speaks poorly of me, and not the liberal ideology as a whole? Interesting. Like, when I get that comment, I immediately dismiss the speaker as unintelligent and incurious, because they instantly jump to trying to put me in a box they can ignore, rather than interrogate their own beliefs. Correct beliefs do not need to be shielded from interrogation, they will actually be strengthened by interrogation. In my ideal world, every single person fully understands socialism, because then most people would agree with it and make it happen.

    Calling me a Russian agent is very much shielding oneself from my beliefs. If people actually believed that I was a Russian agent, they’d have to believe that all leftists are. But they don’t actually believe that, liberals just need to dismiss all leftists as being right wing trolls, because otherwise we would challenge their ideology too drastically for them to keep holding onto it. And there’s nothing liberals cling to more desperately than the status quo being acceptable, because liberals fundamentally do not want to change the status quo. So as a result, every single leftist must be dismissed as an individual bad actor, totally disconnected from a larger ideology beyond their desire to destroy democracy.

    I understand why y’all do it, but I beg of you, please stop doing it and simply interrogate your own beliefs instead.

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      If you’re spreading disinformation that benefits Russia, it doesn’t even matter what your ideologies are. You’re still spreading disinformation on behalf of Russia.

      You can paint any moral picture you want, but that’s the bottom line.

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        I don’t spread disinformation, I spread information. It just tends to be information that conflicts with the official US propaganda, given how much the US media lies. Who is benefitting from the truth being spread should be completely irrelevant, we spread it because it’s true, not because it makes us look good. If y’all want me to spread more favorable information to America, maybe America should start making the truth be more favorable to them.

        American liberals call me a Russian agent purely because I spread the truth, and they don’t like the truths I speak. Let that sink in. I’m telling y’all the emperor has no clothes, and y’all call me an agent of the emperor’s enemies.

        For instance, you ever heard of unit 731 in Japan? Atrocities on par with the Holocaust done to unsuspecting Chinese civilians, and America gave the perpetrators immunity in their version of Nuremberg in order to obtain their biochem research and keep it out of the soviet’s hands.

        Is this Russian disinformation? I mean it sure makes America look bad, so it must be, right? But it’s also literally true.

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              Only in your mind Trump is cognitively more coherent than a potato.

              How do you explain this quote?

              “Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

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                Reading anything trump says and acting like it should make sense is dishonest. He talks like a person (a very, very weird person), not a machine focused only on sound bites, and as a result you get that nonsense. You and I talk the same way to an extent, we just don’t have a microphone on us 24/7.

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                  Holy smokes the mental gymnastics you get through in order to justify that.

                  For everyone reading, just assume that the parent poster is a Russian Disinformation Agent.

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                    Do you actually think I’m a Russian agent? You sound actually serious, are you actually not just deflecting when your beliefs are challenged? Haven’t I written like 10-20 paragraphs to you explaining exactly what my reasoning is? Why would a Russian agent ever do that? Is it worth Russias money to have an agent write 10-20 paragraphs to one single person who clearly can’t have their mind changed? They would have been hitting you with endless logical fallacies and gone the “just asking questions” route. And even moreso, they wouldn’t have wasted as much time writing as I did.

                    People on this site call me a Russian agent constantly, it is beyond absurd. I swear to God, Russia got so much more mileage out of idiot libs they don’t even pay calling others shills, than they ever did out of anybody they actually paid to do it. They probably paid like 10 guys for a week 4 years ago, and then just let you guys run with it to make them appear to be everywhere. Now some other dumbass is going to see your comment calling a guy who’s never even left North America a shill, and he will be convinced that I actually was, so then when he sees someone else making literally any argument he disagrees with, he thinks it’s actually reasonable to think every socialist is a shill.

                    What I’m saying is, you’re literally the one falling for russian disinformation here, and it is both hilariously ironic, and deeply troubling. Like, you saw another lib call a socialist a Russian agent, so now you believe they actually exist, and thus this other socialist, me, is clearly also a Russian agent. It’s just turtles all the way down.

                    Please start questioning your beliefs more, liberalism is literally the stupidest possible belief system when you actually stop to think about it. The whole thing relies on an insane assumption that the status quo is as good as things will ever be. And also that infinite growth using finite resources is actually possible.