• JoBo@feddit.uk
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    This campaign is about the primaries, not the general election. They have not told anyone to vote for Trump.

    The Dems took voters for granted in 2016 and got what they deserved. They should be thanking this campaign but shooting the messenger is so much easier, so they won’t.

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      It’s funny to hear all the crybaby dnc sycophants who support genocide saying the same dumb talking points again and again.

      I’m starting to think they are bots, because it would get boring just saying the same stupid shit over and over again.

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        You can directly say you’re voting for Biden in your comment, and they’ll still screech that you want Trump to win.

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          That’s ok, I regularly screech like a wild banshee lol. This is a silly anonymous online discussion forum.

          But yea, the circles the blue no matter who keep running in are laughable.

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          Its an election year, I guarantee there is significant astro turfing going on in the fediverse. I’d stake my bank account on it.

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              Any combination of those, and including things like vote manipulation with lots of sock accounts, as well as the posting of links that advance their agenda. Wouldn’t take much at all. You obviously need to make it look natural, it’s not every comment or post on lemmy that gets hundreds of upvotes or downvotes. I’d wager you can significant alter lemmy feeds with like thirty co ordonated accounts so long as you stay on new or hot. The trickier part would be not using the same 30 accounts every time, but even still those numbers are peanuts compared to what troll farms and botters do on other social networks. Compared to that you could probably just loose a few interns on the whole of the fediverse if astro turfing was your goal.

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        Who the hell supports genocide? If we don’t vote for status quo Joe we get Mango Mussolini who’s not only bad for the us he’s bad for the world… He literally only cares about himself

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          Who the hell supports genocide?

          Joe Biden. That’s why 100,000 Michiganders just voted “uncommitted”.

          Also Trump, but the only people who want him to win are Republicans.

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            10 months ago

            Indeed, but the comment was aimed at “crybaby DNC sycophants” as in anyone who is voting for Biden was somehow for genocide.

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                You’re right! Sorry, I’ll throw my vote away vote green and accomplish absofuckinglutley nothing but at least I can pat myself on the back and Stay Pure™ while the country burns around me!

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                  You can vote your conscious. That’s what these people are doing.

                  They will not vote for Biden unless he is against genocide in words and action.

                  People are taking a stand. They will not vote for a genocide supporter.

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        I’m convinced they’re bots, lots of telltale signs of GPT in the style of prose.

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      They have not told anyone to vote for Trump.

      They told them not to vote for Biden, which is much the same.

      The Dems took voters for granted in 2016 and got what they deserved.

      65,853,514 voted for Clinton, over 2.8 million more than voted for Trump.

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        You forgot to quote the bit about this being the primaries, not the general.

        And you’re going to have to explain how Clinton was a desperate underdog in 2016 if you want to imply that actually, she did well.

        “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” – Chuck Schumer 2016

        And they still haven’t learnt anything.

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          And you do not think those attitudes will carry over into the general?

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            It depends entirely on whether the Dems are capable of responding to criticism or whether they do their usual la la la can’t hear you.

            The problem with obediently voting for the least worst option is that you end up with no good options. Being marginally better than a fascist is not enough. They need turnout and if they want turnout they need to stop fucking over their voters.

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              It depends entirely on whether the Dems are capable of responding to criticism or whether they do their usual la la la can’t hear you.

              You act like Dems voters are a monolith.

              The problem with obediently voting for the least worst option is that you end up with no good options.

              And how is this going to generate another option?

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                I referred to a political party, not its voters.

                And, wtf? Are you such an obedient voter that you do not care what they are offering as long as they’re wearing the right colour? Come the fuck on.

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                  Fuck, no. But what the fuck else should we do? Let Trump fuck us over just because Biden sucks? I do not like Biden, either, but I DETEST Trump with every fiber of my being.

                  Quit the “both sides” bullshit.

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                    You’re reading “both sides”?

                    Work on your reading comprehension. This sort of braindead centrism should have died 8 years ago

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        They told them not to vote for Biden, which is much the same.

        no, it’s not. i expect to have at least 4 options on my ballot, possibly 5 if my donations to cornel west accomplish anything.

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          And I promise you, all but 2 of those options have a 0.0000% chance of winning. Like it or not, that is the system we have.

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            i think i saw it was more like 1/500 so it’s more like 0.2%. at least that’s what the betting odds called for stein and west, who are the only two candidates i see that deserve my vote.

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                Speaking to The Intercept in 2017, she said the notion that it was an “intimate roundtable” was “mythology,” and that Putin and his associates “weren’t at the table for very long.” Stein said that “nobody introduced anybody to anybody” and that she “didn’t hear any words exchanged between English speakers and Russians” due to the lack of a translator.

                from your first link

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                    it was the tenth anniversary of a media outlet that gave her more time than probably all American media combined. she paid her own way. it’s a nothing burger

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                your second link contains actual lies or facts that have changed since it’s publication.