No international body accepts the donbas or crimea votes and they’re very suspicious just generally if you actually look at the numbers and how they came about. Wagner, russias blackrock use Nazi imagery and murder their own on video with sledgehammers. To add to that there is no evidence of systemic Nazism anymore than any other European nation including Russia. Mother that doesn’t give Russia the right to invade, at all ever and in fact they signed a treaty specifically to not get involved in Ukraine at all.
They certainly do, they have a right to exist without being murdered in an invasion into their homeland either.
That’s a fun non answer. Russia the objective invader and aggressor could simply leave Ukraine could they not?
Fascists are a minority in any nation. The fact that this small hateful minority controls the Ukrainian government is the entire problem. Even after the Svoboda led coup, in an election with millions of former Ukrainians already gone, Zelensky campaigned and won on peace through the Minsk Agreement. He said that America was trying to weaken Russia at the expense of Ukrainians. Yet, he watched helplessly as Azov Brigade shelled civilians in the Donetsk City Center. Now he is just a kapo stooge who will never outlive his usefulness to his fascist handlers.
So if a country arbitrarily believes a section of another country would like to succeed it is not an imperialist move to invade and occupy said country. Correct?
You avoided the question yet again.
Could the invading country simply leave and end the conflict? Seems like a yes but I’d love to see what shape you contort yourself into trying to explain how every death since the invasion is not directly the result of Russian involvement.
There wasn’t an election prior to the first invasion, there was a sham election afterwards literally zero international bodies accept and surprise surprise they won’t allow a monitored revote. Weird right?
That’s not the question, you seem to be mad at answering questions or more likely you’re avoiding the ones that make you look like you have the critoval thinking of a partial breezeblock.
Yeah, irrelevant but yeah.
The difference between the maidan and jan 6th is the majority of the country supported the maidan while almost none of America support jan6th. Also Mexico didn’t invade and claim we’re ethnically Mexican did they?
And again, could the occupying invading country not simply leave Ukraine and end the conflict? We both know the answer is yes but the fact you can’t admit it speaks volumes.
Anyone who wanted to monitor secession votes did monitor it. OSCE refused on the basis that secession wasn’t legitimate, not the election itself.
A good way of determining whether Maidan was popular among the entire nation of 45+ million is regularly scheduled elections followed by a peaceful transition of power, not fascist mobs storming the capitol. Early elections were even offered by Yanukovych.
Incorrect they barred several observers and closed several stations reporters were watching. And ocse is correct, it’s not legitimate anymore then me going to Russia and holding succession referendums.
That would normally be the way it works yes if Russia went is sticking incursions into Ukraine. How many days after maidan was out before Russia invaded crimea again?
Maidan ended 2/22/14
2/27/14 invasion
5 days? Hard to hold a legitimate election in 5 days huh?
And again, could the invader not simply leave and end the conflict, just say yes already and stop being cowardly.
Snap elections make a lot of sense after a sudden coup. You’re the only one I’ve heard try to pretend it wasn’t popular. They voted for Yanukovych overwhelmingly, but they don’t overwhelmingly want to secede after he was overthrown by people on the opposite side of the country?
I just said that dummy, osce weren’t the only ones who wanted to observe. I think we find the issue though, reading comprehension doesn’t to seem to be your strong suit.
Amusing, the first invasion into crimea was 5 days after the agreed end of the maidan. Russia admits the first incursion was in February of 2014, why can’t you?
Agreed, they can have a vote after Russia leaves just as they’ve said they will multiple times. Heres a fun question, how many countries during ww2 suspended elections?
And again my shilly friend. Can the invader not simply leave and end the conflict? Come on, be brave baby you don’t need this job anyway.
No international body accepts the donbas or crimea votes and they’re very suspicious just generally if you actually look at the numbers and how they came about. Wagner, russias blackrock use Nazi imagery and murder their own on video with sledgehammers. To add to that there is no evidence of systemic Nazism anymore than any other European nation including Russia. Mother that doesn’t give Russia the right to invade, at all ever and in fact they signed a treaty specifically to not get involved in Ukraine at all.
They certainly do, they have a right to exist without being murdered in an invasion into their homeland either.
That’s a fun non answer. Russia the objective invader and aggressor could simply leave Ukraine could they not?
All your Banderite fan fiction aside…
Fascists are a minority in any nation. The fact that this small hateful minority controls the Ukrainian government is the entire problem. Even after the Svoboda led coup, in an election with millions of former Ukrainians already gone, Zelensky campaigned and won on peace through the Minsk Agreement. He said that America was trying to weaken Russia at the expense of Ukrainians. Yet, he watched helplessly as Azov Brigade shelled civilians in the Donetsk City Center. Now he is just a kapo stooge who will never outlive his usefulness to his fascist handlers.
So if a country arbitrarily believes a section of another country would like to succeed it is not an imperialist move to invade and occupy said country. Correct?
You avoided the question yet again.
Could the invading country simply leave and end the conflict? Seems like a yes but I’d love to see what shape you contort yourself into trying to explain how every death since the invasion is not directly the result of Russian involvement.
Coups are arbitrary. Elections are not arbitrary.
I would love to cede Cascadia to Canadian annexation, if not secede independently.👍
Washing State is a slave name, named after a slave owner.
If Jan6 was successful like Maidan then it would have made it just that more justified.
There wasn’t an election prior to the first invasion, there was a sham election afterwards literally zero international bodies accept and surprise surprise they won’t allow a monitored revote. Weird right?
That’s not the question, you seem to be mad at answering questions or more likely you’re avoiding the ones that make you look like you have the critoval thinking of a partial breezeblock.
Yeah, irrelevant but yeah.
The difference between the maidan and jan 6th is the majority of the country supported the maidan while almost none of America support jan6th. Also Mexico didn’t invade and claim we’re ethnically Mexican did they?
And again, could the occupying invading country not simply leave Ukraine and end the conflict? We both know the answer is yes but the fact you can’t admit it speaks volumes.
Anyone who wanted to monitor secession votes did monitor it. OSCE refused on the basis that secession wasn’t legitimate, not the election itself.
A good way of determining whether Maidan was popular among the entire nation of 45+ million is regularly scheduled elections followed by a peaceful transition of power, not fascist mobs storming the capitol. Early elections were even offered by Yanukovych.
It was never about democracy.
Incorrect they barred several observers and closed several stations reporters were watching. And ocse is correct, it’s not legitimate anymore then me going to Russia and holding succession referendums.
That would normally be the way it works yes if Russia went is sticking incursions into Ukraine. How many days after maidan was out before Russia invaded crimea again?
Maidan ended 2/22/14 2/27/14 invasion
5 days? Hard to hold a legitimate election in 5 days huh?
And again, could the invader not simply leave and end the conflict, just say yes already and stop being cowardly.
You’re lying. OSCE rejected the premise of secession.
https://www.osce.org/cio/116313
Snap elections make a lot of sense after a sudden coup. You’re the only one I’ve heard try to pretend it wasn’t popular. They voted for Yanukovych overwhelmingly, but they don’t overwhelmingly want to secede after he was overthrown by people on the opposite side of the country?
The invasion happened eight years later.
Just let people vote and respect their vote.
I just said that dummy, osce weren’t the only ones who wanted to observe. I think we find the issue though, reading comprehension doesn’t to seem to be your strong suit.
Amusing, the first invasion into crimea was 5 days after the agreed end of the maidan. Russia admits the first incursion was in February of 2014, why can’t you?
Agreed, they can have a vote after Russia leaves just as they’ve said they will multiple times. Heres a fun question, how many countries during ww2 suspended elections?
And again my shilly friend. Can the invader not simply leave and end the conflict? Come on, be brave baby you don’t need this job anyway.