So, as expected, Auschwitz-like detention conditions. All Alligator Alcatraz is missing is the forced labor and the gas chambers.

Do we call America a Nazi country yet, or is it too soon?

Americans should hold their head in shame. And if they really want to be useful, bash it real hard against a wall until they can’t vote anymore. They made this happen. AGAIN.

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    not every American is part of the problem,

    While I understand that a lot of individual Americans are indeed the unfortunate victims of Trump, my point is that, as a nation, it’s too easy to distance yourself from the outcome of the election. You may be a hard-core Democrat, a real traditional Republican - or indeed anything other than a MAGA Nazi, but if you’re American, you own Trump. It’s your mistake. It’s too easy to profess democracy and free elections, and then complain that you didn’t want that. You did want that. And you got it.

    What I’m saying is, while I feel for you as an individual human being who seem nice and reasonable, I lump you with the problem and I fully blame you for it as an American.

    the ethical implications of your own actions?

    You elected Trump and I should consider the ethical implications of my actions? That’s rich!

    Get rid of your Nazi problem and then we’ll talk. As long as Trump or any of his Nazi underbosses are in power, I have zero respect for Americans.

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      I am and have been doing everything i am capable of to oppose the Trump administration and I’m doing it under threat of nationwide surveillance and gestapo. have you petitioned your government to sanction the US?

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        have you petitioned your government to sanction the US?

        I’ve done better than that: my business has stopped selling to Americans. It’s a big financial hit and our US customers are pissed, but when Americans don’t buy from us, they don’t send tariff money into the Nazi coffers.

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      What I’m saying is, while I feel for you as an individual human being who seem nice and reasonable, I lump you with the problem and I fully blame you for it as an American.

      You don’t seem to understand that you certainly do not feel for me as an “individual human being who seem[s] nice and reasonable” if you think you have the right or moral ground to blame me for Trump because the people around me joined his cult - it’s the diametric opposite of acknowledging me as an individual.

      You just seem to keep repeating “as a nation” as if that hand-waving abstraction somehow makes it sensible to blame every single person in America for Trump. Test your premise even a little. Are American children also responsible for Trump? What’s the principle? Do they somehow gain the original sin of being an “American” and therefore culpable for Trump at 18? Is that midnight Eastern Time or Pacific Time? How about people who lost the right to vote? How about Americans who naturalized after the election? Is it getting complicated yet?

      Because that’s life, it’s complicated, and applying the label of “American” to two drastically different people doesn’t somehow waive your duty to engage in moral inquiry before you engage in moral condemnation.

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      I get you. Because I as a citizen of the world hold you personally accountable for Trump. Afterall, you as a human let your country let America do this. You should be ashamed.

      Your country yielded power to America, spending years allowing America to police the world, and dictate international trade. You can say you didn’t want this, but you did want it, and you got it.