Clearly not in the case of Shireen Abu Akleh, (which they also admitted fault to,) her death they are clearly liable for. It’s unclear if deaths of journalists in this conflict is due to collateral damage, fog of war, Hamas attacks, crossfire, or other causes.
This is similar to “Shock and Awe” approach that the US did in response to 9/11, while one can certainly criticize it, if Israel intends to provide an example for future deterrence for safety it can be argued that prioritizing destruction over accuracy as a show of force is the right call. (Common Dreams is a terrible source, btw. I’m pretty far left but their bias is too much for me.)
Collateral damage isn’t rhetoric, that’s the military term for people who get hit that you didn’t intend as targets.
This is a tweet that quotes an unnamed official, which is not very compelling.
Generally though, I’m sure that there’s plenty of examples of troubling rhetoric to be found. I’m not even Israeli and watching Oct 7 footage pissed me off, I can only imagine the anger they must be experiencing.
I read it and I responded to it some time ago. The only interesting claim it makes is regarding the tunnels not connecting, haven’t read anything on it since.
Oh I see the IDF doesn’t need to provide any evidence to bomb a hospital . We have to disprove their lies while they actively block any investigation. They can just say “KHAMASS!”
Just the tunnels being not connected is already a major proof that the IDF lied because that means it can’t be a command center and you know it.
There’s plenty of evidence! There’s a bag of guns behind the MRI machine, there’s footage of Hamas bringing hostages into the hospital, there’s a confession by the director of the hospital…
As for claims the tunnels don’t connect this has not been established, it is simply been called into question. The article simply says it cannot be established from the IDF footage. Israeli and American intelligence sources claim that it does
Yo that’s crazy dude, I seem to recall the IDF themselves posting full videos of their 3D map of that tunnel network. You were really all about that a little while ago.
I guess that them throwing a bag of guns behind an MRI machine and torturing a hospital director into a forced confession is all we need. Forget videos of the actual tunnels and “command center”!
Who needs easily verifiable evidence in the age that we have cameras, when you can just have random people confessing to things!
And Hamas getting medical treatment for a hostage in a hospital is sure weird. The IDF just lets all their hostages rot in cells without medial treatment.
The 3D models are interesting, not sure how you expect me to confirm or deny their validity.
There’s no proof they tortured anyone, it’s fine to be skeptical of evidence, but don’t pretend it doesn’t exist. I believe they also fired an RPG from the entrance of a hospital and ran inside but I’m not sure if it’s this one or a different one.
If any of these are true, it makes these hospitals into a legal military target. If you don’t like that, be pissed off at Hamas, not Israel for defending itself against those who use civilian infrastructure for military purposes, against international law.
" The 3D models and non existent tunnels which were the entire legal basis the IDF used were a complete lie and imma quickly pivot to more lies because I have been owned"
There wasn’t an RPG fired this is a blatant lie too. It’s clear that you are here only to spread propaganda for the IDF.
The IDF filmed a drone shot with one guy walking past the front of the hospital with an object looking like an RPG at a time the IDF already had surrounded the hospital. Totally not sus. And a man walking past a hospital with a weapon is also not a reason to bomb a hospital and claim there is a military base in there.
And now everything you claim has been disproven, surely you will admit to being wrong and go the IDF being genocidal Nazis illegally bombing hospitals right?
" The 3D models and non existent tunnels which were the entire legal basis the IDF used were a complete lie and imma quickly pivot to more lies because I have been owned"
Lol, grow up.
everything you claim has been disproven, surely you will admit to being wrong and go the IDF being genocidal Nazis illegally bombing hospitals right?
I’d like credible citations that all of that has been disproven, I read the article you linked before and it doesn’t say any of that. It’s quite skeptical about the evidence but It does not disprove the IDF’s claims.
I read it and I responded to it some time ago. The only interesting claim it makes is regarding the tunnels not connecting, haven’t read anything on it since.
Still waiting on credible evidence that they do that, every time I’ve asked for it I just get casualty figures and nothing proving intent.
So the journalists they’ve killed over the years were valid military targets?
Clearly not in the case of Shireen Abu Akleh, (which they also admitted fault to,) her death they are clearly liable for. It’s unclear if deaths of journalists in this conflict is due to collateral damage, fog of war, Hamas attacks, crossfire, or other causes.
https://cpj.org/reports/2023/05/deadly-pattern-20-journalists-died-by-israeli-military-fire-in-22-years-no-one-has-been-held-accountable/
Good article, thanks!
That certainly is a list of casualties, which does not establish intent.
With their track record for lying, you would probably be better off just to automatically assume that whatever comes out of their mouth is wrong
No you see when israel kills 10.000 children the burden of proof is on you. You have to prove that all those kids weren’t terrorists!
Shhh… the intent is a secret!
You don’t have any evidence, got it.
Never said I did
Maybe not as official military doctrine, but idk the rhetoric seems clear to me
“The emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy,” Israel Defense Forces official Daniel Hagari said, according to Haaretz.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Palestinian civilians being killed en masse are simply “collateral damage” in his military’s destruction of Gaza.
“Gaza will eventually turn into a city of tents. There will be no buildings. The ground maneuver will surprise Hamas,” the official said in a stark warning to the terrorist group behind the weekend assault that killed more than 1,200 Israelis.
Generally though, I’m sure that there’s plenty of examples of troubling rhetoric to be found. I’m not even Israeli and watching Oct 7 footage pissed me off, I can only imagine the anger they must be experiencing.
Every time you get it but you seem to conveniently look away. Here it is again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/21/al-shifa-hospital-gaza-hamas-israel/
I read it and I responded to it some time ago. The only interesting claim it makes is regarding the tunnels not connecting, haven’t read anything on it since.
Oh I see the IDF doesn’t need to provide any evidence to bomb a hospital . We have to disprove their lies while they actively block any investigation. They can just say “KHAMASS!”
Just the tunnels being not connected is already a major proof that the IDF lied because that means it can’t be a command center and you know it.
There’s plenty of evidence! There’s a bag of guns behind the MRI machine, there’s footage of Hamas bringing hostages into the hospital, there’s a confession by the director of the hospital…
As for claims the tunnels don’t connect this has not been established, it is simply been called into question. The article simply says it cannot be established from the IDF footage. Israeli and American intelligence sources claim that it does
Yo that’s crazy dude, I seem to recall the IDF themselves posting full videos of their 3D map of that tunnel network. You were really all about that a little while ago.
Oh wait it’s still up on the IDFs channel!
Care to comment on that one?
I guess that them throwing a bag of guns behind an MRI machine and torturing a hospital director into a forced confession is all we need. Forget videos of the actual tunnels and “command center”!
Who needs easily verifiable evidence in the age that we have cameras, when you can just have random people confessing to things!
And Hamas getting medical treatment for a hostage in a hospital is sure weird. The IDF just lets all their hostages rot in cells without medial treatment.
The 3D models are interesting, not sure how you expect me to confirm or deny their validity.
There’s no proof they tortured anyone, it’s fine to be skeptical of evidence, but don’t pretend it doesn’t exist. I believe they also fired an RPG from the entrance of a hospital and ran inside but I’m not sure if it’s this one or a different one.
If any of these are true, it makes these hospitals into a legal military target. If you don’t like that, be pissed off at Hamas, not Israel for defending itself against those who use civilian infrastructure for military purposes, against international law.
" The 3D models and non existent tunnels which were the entire legal basis the IDF used were a complete lie and imma quickly pivot to more lies because I have been owned"
There wasn’t an RPG fired this is a blatant lie too. It’s clear that you are here only to spread propaganda for the IDF.
The IDF filmed a drone shot with one guy walking past the front of the hospital with an object looking like an RPG at a time the IDF already had surrounded the hospital. Totally not sus. And a man walking past a hospital with a weapon is also not a reason to bomb a hospital and claim there is a military base in there.
And now everything you claim has been disproven, surely you will admit to being wrong and go the IDF being genocidal Nazis illegally bombing hospitals right?
Lol, grow up.
I’d like credible citations that all of that has been disproven, I read the article you linked before and it doesn’t say any of that. It’s quite skeptical about the evidence but It does not disprove the IDF’s claims.
The format of your comments is exactly what Hamas recommends their supporters should do on social media, right down to the Nazi comparison, they would be proud.
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I read it and I responded to it some time ago. The only interesting claim it makes is regarding the tunnels not connecting, haven’t read anything on it since.