Biden’s numbers among young voters have slid during his presidency from the high margins that helped him beat Trump. Several former supporters explain why.
Feel free to change their view but be rational about it.
They still have enough time to rally around US House & Senate candidates to advocate for issues such as this. Field a PAC or some kind of effort for 2028 if this is their first foray into single issue voting. Learn about power of down ballot. Get involved with local/state political party perhaps consider joining another one if you are so opposed to the Democratic one.
And every one of those is a rational well thought out plan, I give you that the 2020 is in the lake for every person you guys between now and the end because our present continues to give them weaponry after he has seen what they do with it. I don’t want the guy who makes those kind of choices in charge of my country. You have still have two months before the primaries when that’s locked in.
First off I’m not that worried about the threat. The attention span of these “concerned” voters is going to wane quickly. They didn’t care in 2021 they will probably fizzle out in 2024 especially if the tempo of war changes, already the civilian causality rate in Gaza has gone down considerably & even the Biden administration is demanding Israel to state goals/conditions for our support to continue(evidence of our bargaining power with UN votes). President Biden is toughening our stance to bring Two-state solution back to the table which isn’t in focus sadly in Israel. This is why he is a billion times better than the opposition or any other alternative.
To quote a movie, if we burn you burn with us.
Right there in your response shows the naivety of how to handle a LONG term issue with short-term action. No matter if Hamas is destroyed or another round of ceasefires occurs the Palestinians will have to rebuild and need aid. They really need & deserve more than that honestly. Lets survey the current landscape, UN is pulling peacekeepers out of Africa & decreasing funds to food aid globally. Are anti-UN candidates such as Cornell West, Any GOP candidate, Robert Kennedy Jr., or others really going to be able to reverse that? Will known “America First” republicans & progressives that favor “Spend Money here first/only” politicians going to be good for Palestinians?
Sure, they can wish to burn it down in hopes it makes them feel better for some weird reason. Just not sure it achieves anything than making it worse for Palestinians. If they believe they have the ability to tank a presidential campaign, why not also (or only)focus Congressional or Senate primaries? Congress is the ones that authorizes weapon sales & could give more assistance to Palestinians. Congressional District represents 700K and Senate races are handled on a state level which should be easier than a National campaign. God knows a stronger effort is needed to prevent the censure let alone the expulsion of Pro-Palestinian legislators.
I guess it comes down to vibes or good feelings not the pragmatic efforts needed to actually achieve something.
And fucking Biden can say whatever he wants it, but words do not equal actions. I can sit here and say all day I’m not gonna slap you in the face but if I keep doing it, what are my words worth?
She is doing the same thing a Blinken is accusing Israel of doing intent not matching action.
You can’t just say don’t look at the man behind the curtain when there’s no one there, the curtain is clear, and we all know that the mighty oz is just a sock puppet
My problems with Biden are not solely related to Israel, we also have him not supporting unions.
All the things you’re saying or things that we’ve been trying for years and they are not working.
When everyone solution away is always do the same thing but just wait, all that says to us is, we’re not listening to you. Keep doing it our way.
Maybe it’s time to shake up the fucking system and let people be uncomfortable for a little bit while we rebuild it.
It’s the same story you hear over and over again in history, people are not willing to listen to those who are being knocked down by the system, until eventually people are done with it, and then things happen. They happen quickly, and they happen violently, and they could all be prevented if y’all would just listen to other people.
Not chocking Biden up as the best pro-Union president but are you dense here, he has actually done quite a lot to reverse the trend & a big supporter. You’d have to ignore the last 50 years to think he is bad for unions.
All I can glean from this is you have a strong distaste for democracy? Its the best system we have and not sure you even have a grasp on how it works or can even promote a viable alternative. The bigger risk is folks that want to burn the system down & can’t even articulate what they want let alone discuss how it would be better.
Yes, I am aware of the awful policy of Travel days of Monday & Friday and dislike it. I could see some Mondays but Friday is annoying. Former speaker Pelosi brought it back and something I’ve disliked for quite some time. I’m sympathetic to Western states but allowing some limited tolerance of proxy votes easily addresses that.
His actions have been pretty great but hey if you want to bury your head fine, enjoy yourself.
Your participation in elections are great but if you are such a super voter then get more involved in your local party & encourage others. Nothing President Biden has done has ever been in violation of our national party platform & I probably same for many state democratic parties. I’m cool with some aspects of third parties if the Democrat Party structure and/or platform is unpalatable to you.
Nobody is worried about your opposition its just juvenile if its just a no vote on the president. Also, the critique about “systems” seems very horseshoe-y .
Vote how you want lemmy cuz and glad you do so. Have a great one and we can continue this on other subjects.
My problems with Biden are not solely related to Israel, we also have him not supporting unions.
I don’t know where you are getting your info but you are totally wrong. Biden is responsible for the resurgence of unions we’ve been experiencing:
Last Friday, the National Labor Relations Board released its most important ruling in many decades. In a party-line decision in Cemex Construction Materials Pacific, LLC, the Board ruled that when a majority of a company’s employees file union affiliation cards, the employer can either voluntarily recognize their union or, if not, ask the Board to run a union recognition election. If, in the run-up to or during that election, the employer commits an unfair labor practice, such as illegally firing pro-union workers (which has become routine in nearly every such election over the past 40 years, as the penalties have been negligible), the Board will order the employer to recognize the union and enter forthwith into bargaining.
The Cemex decision was preceded by another, one day earlier, in which the Board, also along party lines, set out rules for representation elections which required them to be held promptly after the Board had been asked to conduct them, curtailing employers’ ability to delay them, often indefinitely.
Taken together, this one-two punch effectively makes union organizing possible again, after decades in which unpunished employer illegality was the most decisive factor in reducing the nation’s rate of private-sector unionization from roughly 35 percent to the bare 6 percent at which it stands today. https://prospect.org/labor/2023-08-28-bidens-nlrb-brings-workers-rights-back/
This is thanks to Biden’s appointments to the NLRB. He’s done more to support unions than any president in my lifetime.
“We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.
“We know that many of our members weren’t happy with our original agreement,” Russo said, “but through it all, we had faith that our friends in the White House and Congress would keep up the pressure on our railroad employers to get us the sick day benefits we deserve. Until we negotiated these new individual agreements with these carriers, an IBEW member who called out sick was not compensated.”
While President Joe Biden was calling on Congress in November to pass legislation to implement the agreement, he stressed that he would continue to encourage the railroads to guarantee paid sick time for their employees.
“I share workers’ concern about the inability to take leave to recover from illness or care for a sick family member,” Biden said. “I have pressed legislation and proposals to advance the cause of paid leave in my two years in office and will continue to do so.” https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
Biden himself explained why he signed the bill:
“It was tough for me but it was the right thing to do at the moment – save jobs, to protect millions of working families from harm and disruption and to keep supply chains stable around the holidays,” Biden said, adding the deal avoided “an economic catastrophe.”
Eight of 12 unions had ratified the deal. But some labor leaders have criticized Biden, a self-described friend of labor, for asking Congress to impose a contract that workers in four unions have rejected over its lack of paid sick leave.
“That fight isn’t over,” Biden said of the push for sick leave. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-railroad-strike-2022-12-02/
I imagine if the economy tanked under his watch he would have been blamed for that as well.
Do you not understand how certain recent events may change peoples views on Israel?
Feel free to change their view but be rational about it.
They still have enough time to rally around US House & Senate candidates to advocate for issues such as this. Field a PAC or some kind of effort for 2028 if this is their first foray into single issue voting. Learn about power of down ballot. Get involved with local/state political party perhaps consider joining another one if you are so opposed to the Democratic one.
And every one of those is a rational well thought out plan, I give you that the 2020 is in the lake for every person you guys between now and the end because our present continues to give them weaponry after he has seen what they do with it. I don’t want the guy who makes those kind of choices in charge of my country. You have still have two months before the primaries when that’s locked in.
Choose a better person.
To quote a movie, if we burn you burn with us.
Suicide bomber logic
Why not?
Why should we support a system that ignores us but continues to demand more and more for less and less?
Because ignoring the realities of our system will lead to a worse outcome for everyone, including you?
So join me, we have seen what support genocide Biden will do.
Isn’t that chick that managed to flip Wisconsin running?
Let’s back her, we have seen the results she has.
First off I’m not that worried about the threat. The attention span of these “concerned” voters is going to wane quickly. They didn’t care in 2021 they will probably fizzle out in 2024 especially if the tempo of war changes, already the civilian causality rate in Gaza has gone down considerably & even the Biden administration is demanding Israel to state goals/conditions for our support to continue(evidence of our bargaining power with UN votes). President Biden is toughening our stance to bring Two-state solution back to the table which isn’t in focus sadly in Israel. This is why he is a billion times better than the opposition or any other alternative.
Right there in your response shows the naivety of how to handle a LONG term issue with short-term action. No matter if Hamas is destroyed or another round of ceasefires occurs the Palestinians will have to rebuild and need aid. They really need & deserve more than that honestly. Lets survey the current landscape, UN is pulling peacekeepers out of Africa & decreasing funds to food aid globally. Are anti-UN candidates such as Cornell West, Any GOP candidate, Robert Kennedy Jr., or others really going to be able to reverse that? Will known “America First” republicans & progressives that favor “Spend Money here first/only” politicians going to be good for Palestinians?
Sure, they can wish to burn it down in hopes it makes them feel better for some weird reason. Just not sure it achieves anything than making it worse for Palestinians. If they believe they have the ability to tank a presidential campaign, why not also (or only)focus Congressional or Senate primaries? Congress is the ones that authorizes weapon sales & could give more assistance to Palestinians. Congressional District represents 700K and Senate races are handled on a state level which should be easier than a National campaign. God knows a stronger effort is needed to prevent the censure let alone the expulsion of Pro-Palestinian legislators.
I guess it comes down to vibes or good feelings not the pragmatic efforts needed to actually achieve something.
And fucking Biden can say whatever he wants it, but words do not equal actions. I can sit here and say all day I’m not gonna slap you in the face but if I keep doing it, what are my words worth?
She is doing the same thing a Blinken is accusing Israel of doing intent not matching action.
You can’t just say don’t look at the man behind the curtain when there’s no one there, the curtain is clear, and we all know that the mighty oz is just a sock puppet
My problems with Biden are not solely related to Israel, we also have him not supporting unions.
All the things you’re saying or things that we’ve been trying for years and they are not working.
When everyone solution away is always do the same thing but just wait, all that says to us is, we’re not listening to you. Keep doing it our way.
Maybe it’s time to shake up the fucking system and let people be uncomfortable for a little bit while we rebuild it.
It’s the same story you hear over and over again in history, people are not willing to listen to those who are being knocked down by the system, until eventually people are done with it, and then things happen. They happen quickly, and they happen violently, and they could all be prevented if y’all would just listen to other people.
You can’t suppress the population forever
Not chocking Biden up as the best pro-Union president but are you dense here, he has actually done quite a lot to reverse the trend & a big supporter. You’d have to ignore the last 50 years to think he is bad for unions.
All I can glean from this is you have a strong distaste for democracy? Its the best system we have and not sure you even have a grasp on how it works or can even promote a viable alternative. The bigger risk is folks that want to burn the system down & can’t even articulate what they want let alone discuss how it would be better.
Yes I hate democracy, that’s why I have voted in every local, state, and national election since I turned 18.
It is why I contact my Senators and representatives and the White House.
Did you know their phones are only open from Tuesday to Thursday for, I believe, four hours a day?
Actions over words, friend, and his actions aren’t matching his words.
Run somebody knew we still have time to primary.
If you don’t, you won’t have my opposition, I’m not that stupid. You just won’t have my support.
Yes, I am aware of the awful policy of Travel days of Monday & Friday and dislike it. I could see some Mondays but Friday is annoying. Former speaker Pelosi brought it back and something I’ve disliked for quite some time. I’m sympathetic to Western states but allowing some limited tolerance of proxy votes easily addresses that.
His actions have been pretty great but hey if you want to bury your head fine, enjoy yourself.
Your participation in elections are great but if you are such a super voter then get more involved in your local party & encourage others. Nothing President Biden has done has ever been in violation of our national party platform & I probably same for many state democratic parties. I’m cool with some aspects of third parties if the Democrat Party structure and/or platform is unpalatable to you.
Nobody is worried about your opposition its just juvenile if its just a no vote on the president. Also, the critique about “systems” seems very horseshoe-y .
Vote how you want lemmy cuz and glad you do so. Have a great one and we can continue this on other subjects.
I don’t know where you are getting your info but you are totally wrong. Biden is responsible for the resurgence of unions we’ve been experiencing:
This is thanks to Biden’s appointments to the NLRB. He’s done more to support unions than any president in my lifetime.
So why did he turn his back on the railroad workers?
According to the IBEW, he didn’t:
Biden himself explained why he signed the bill:
I imagine if the economy tanked under his watch he would have been blamed for that as well.
Fair enough, I will take that off of the list.