it’s sad that people allow themselves to fall for the disenfranchised voter syndrome
it’s reality mate… you get democrat or you get republican. with how first past the post mathematically works, that’s what you’re stuck with. deal with reality and vote the system or scream at the wall
i don’t live in the US. i live in australia, so have very little ability to solve your countries problems. our system is preferential voting so voting 3rd party is what i do: in fact, our ballot papers have ~60 different parties on them!
there’s a bunch about how americans react to things that i just do not understand, so im a poor choice to even spitball solutions - but maths is maths and closing your eyes and denying the reality of the problem doesn’t help solve it. it just ensures you get the worst outcome!
and yes, i do care even though i don’t live there, and yknow what, yes it does effect me and most people because, as the adage goes: when the US sneezes the rest of the world gets a cold
The presence of mind to vote for the best option if it isn’t a big two is a syndrome now?
Fuck it, man, call me a sick fucker then, because I’m betting the best option ain’t gonna be red or blue this time either … I’m voting for the most sensible and intelligent name on the ballot. Sure as fuck ain’t gonna be trump, but biden has the fact that he isn’t trump, and not much else…
3rd party in the US is almost certain to amount to nothkng given how game theory, the spoiler effect, defensive voting, the electoral college, and various other social and mathematical things come together
the reality is that a vote for 3rd party is the same outcome as not voting… its awful, but sadly that’s the way it is. if you want to vote 3rd party, you need to work to change the system somehow first
There’s a ballot… it’s a list of options… You go in, you pick out which is the best option.
It’s YOUR vote, it’s your choice.
You can decide your voice has to pick the ones that are gonna win, like it’s a keno card.
You can decide that your voice is going to pick the little letter next to the name that identifies each option as belongings to the stupid little tribes.
You can declare which is best for you. You can declare which is best for the collective. You can declare which is the best option to get good leadership…
I tend towards the collective. I don’t give a fuck who’s going to win, I don’t give a fuck about their tribe. I usually go in knowing what I’m gonna see for options and the general philosophy of each (fucking Google man, it’s so much easier these days… there was a time when that took some leg work.).
The simple reality is that the best choice for the overall good is very rarely a winner. That’s a damned shame, but it is what it is. The best I can do with that is to declare it with my vote. I’m not enabling shit, I’m not voting defensively, I’m not screwing up my keno card… I’m declaring which option is the best on the list in my opinion.
It should be that simple. It IS that simple for me. It could be that simple for you. Your vote, your voice, you can use it to state your own opinion and not whatever bullshit you’re told you’re stuck with.
I’m not saying people should vote a tribe, or game the system, I’m saying your vote should be your own.
but thats kinda the point: you SHOULD be able to pick the option that’s best for you, but in reality if that option isn’t 1 of the 2 major parties then it suffers from the spoiler effect and all that candidate does is pull votes from their closest competitor!
FPTP is fundamentally broken, and you can never choose 3rd party if you want your vote to matter… you said it’s a shame, and that’s true! but it’s also maths and sociology
it’s a fixable problem, but not with the system that exists in the US right now
sure! totally agree… so the best vote is for not overtly fascist… you don’t solve this particular problem at the polls: you have to solve it some other way
and no, i don’t know how that is done but that’s just the reality… FPTP voting system leaves you no good options. you must either change the way the system works, or work outside the system
not voting of the lesser of the 2 options, right now, in this reality, gets you the worst outcome… and even worse, shifts BOTH options significantly worse for next time
I’m not disagreeing with the reality of FPTP, but I still have the first-amendment right to be angry at Biden. But with the way political discourse is going in this country, I can’t criticize him without being written off as a Trump bootlicker. Fixing that is the first thing we need to do as a country.
You are being written off as a Trump bootlicker because you parrot Trump propaganda. Perhaps fixing your need to regurgitate Trump propaganda should be the first thing that needs fixing?
For real. My biggest issue with Biden and his supporters is that they pretend to be outraged at the stuff the Republicans do, while doing the same shit. Like bailing out the billionaires, overspending on military, and enabling the predatory healthcare system to continue to exist.
it’s sad that people allow themselves to fall for the disenfranchised voter syndrome
it’s reality mate… you get democrat or you get republican. with how first past the post mathematically works, that’s what you’re stuck with. deal with reality and vote the system or scream at the wall
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i don’t live in the US. i live in australia, so have very little ability to solve your countries problems. our system is preferential voting so voting 3rd party is what i do: in fact, our ballot papers have ~60 different parties on them!
there’s a bunch about how americans react to things that i just do not understand, so im a poor choice to even spitball solutions - but maths is maths and closing your eyes and denying the reality of the problem doesn’t help solve it. it just ensures you get the worst outcome!
and yes, i do care even though i don’t live there, and yknow what, yes it does effect me and most people because, as the adage goes: when the US sneezes the rest of the world gets a cold
The presence of mind to vote for the best option if it isn’t a big two is a syndrome now?
Fuck it, man, call me a sick fucker then, because I’m betting the best option ain’t gonna be red or blue this time either … I’m voting for the most sensible and intelligent name on the ballot. Sure as fuck ain’t gonna be trump, but biden has the fact that he isn’t trump, and not much else…
3rd party in the US is almost certain to amount to nothkng given how game theory, the spoiler effect, defensive voting, the electoral college, and various other social and mathematical things come together
here’s a great series by CGP grey on why that is:
https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
the reality is that a vote for 3rd party is the same outcome as not voting… its awful, but sadly that’s the way it is. if you want to vote 3rd party, you need to work to change the system somehow first
There’s a ballot… it’s a list of options… You go in, you pick out which is the best option.
It’s YOUR vote, it’s your choice.
You can decide your voice has to pick the ones that are gonna win, like it’s a keno card.
You can decide that your voice is going to pick the little letter next to the name that identifies each option as belongings to the stupid little tribes.
You can declare which is best for you. You can declare which is best for the collective. You can declare which is the best option to get good leadership…
I tend towards the collective. I don’t give a fuck who’s going to win, I don’t give a fuck about their tribe. I usually go in knowing what I’m gonna see for options and the general philosophy of each (fucking Google man, it’s so much easier these days… there was a time when that took some leg work.).
The simple reality is that the best choice for the overall good is very rarely a winner. That’s a damned shame, but it is what it is. The best I can do with that is to declare it with my vote. I’m not enabling shit, I’m not voting defensively, I’m not screwing up my keno card… I’m declaring which option is the best on the list in my opinion.
It should be that simple. It IS that simple for me. It could be that simple for you. Your vote, your voice, you can use it to state your own opinion and not whatever bullshit you’re told you’re stuck with.
I’m not saying people should vote a tribe, or game the system, I’m saying your vote should be your own.
but thats kinda the point: you SHOULD be able to pick the option that’s best for you, but in reality if that option isn’t 1 of the 2 major parties then it suffers from the spoiler effect and all that candidate does is pull votes from their closest competitor!
FPTP is fundamentally broken, and you can never choose 3rd party if you want your vote to matter… you said it’s a shame, and that’s true! but it’s also maths and sociology
it’s a fixable problem, but not with the system that exists in the US right now
The reality is you get overly or covertly fascist. Ftfy.
sure! totally agree… so the best vote is for not overtly fascist… you don’t solve this particular problem at the polls: you have to solve it some other way
and no, i don’t know how that is done but that’s just the reality… FPTP voting system leaves you no good options. you must either change the way the system works, or work outside the system
not voting of the lesser of the 2 options, right now, in this reality, gets you the worst outcome… and even worse, shifts BOTH options significantly worse for next time
I’m not disagreeing with the reality of FPTP, but I still have the first-amendment right to be angry at Biden. But with the way political discourse is going in this country, I can’t criticize him without being written off as a Trump bootlicker. Fixing that is the first thing we need to do as a country.
You are being written off as a Trump bootlicker because you parrot Trump propaganda. Perhaps fixing your need to regurgitate Trump propaganda should be the first thing that needs fixing?
Ah, any criticism of Biden is “Trump propaganda.” Gotta dismiss it with a bullshit term so you can feel like you won, huh?
Kinda like how Trump and his cult refer to any criticism of Trump as “fake news.”
Funny how both Team Blue and Team Red do a lot of the same things and don’t want to admit it.
Is it funny though?
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solid point
For real. My biggest issue with Biden and his supporters is that they pretend to be outraged at the stuff the Republicans do, while doing the same shit. Like bailing out the billionaires, overspending on military, and enabling the predatory healthcare system to continue to exist.
They have the same bosses, and it’s not us. Bandwagon fallacy or something.
Absolutely. And people here wonder why I think both sides are full of shit. George Carlin was right.