“It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” Ocasio-Cortez said.
The New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America is facing a political firestorm after the organization promoted a pro-Palestine rally in the wake of Hamas militants’ attacks on Israeli communities.
The group did not organize Sunday’s rally, its leadership said Monday. But several lawmakers with DSA ties are distancing themselves from what was said at the event.
“It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y) and one of six DSA members in Congress, said in a statement late Monday — her first comments on the rally.
“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment. It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation,” she said.
Whenever there’s an anti Israel protest, you can guarantee it will devolve into anti Semitism. For some reason you can speak about Palestinians without thinking about their ethnicity and religion but if you bring up Israel the Jew hate jumps out. My wife is Canadian Jewish and has no interest in Israel or politics, but she still gets shit on about Israel, as if every Jewish person on earth is Israeli.
You have to seperate the racism and bigotry from the call to end occupation or nobody will ever listen to you.
I agree, but you have to remember that the Israeli state wants it this way. They want the world to conflate Jewish and Israeli in order to hide their own fascism. And they will drag every Jewish person to their pit if allowed to. Just like Hamas wants to tangle every Muslim into their warped worldview with their holy war bullshit excuse for violence.
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Well, I read a lot of people’s opinions on why China needs to get nuked since they are lesser humans on mainstream reddit subs, it is not like there is a lot of racism and general hate against China and its citizens on the internet.
Which mainstream reddit subs are these? I used to read r/all but never saw anything like this
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Don’t worry, they checked to see if you laughed before they decided how much they were joking.
Political compass memes or something?
A lot of those “both sides” or “free speech” subs are really just right wing with a mask on
Haha lol that’s a right wing memesub that’s barely in the top 1000. Sure I’m still interested to see examples that they advocate for genocide against the Chinese even there, but it already goes to show the accusation that there’s a lot of it happening on mainstream subs is just a big fat lie
It doesn’t help that the pro-Israel factions accuses anyone criticizing Israel an anti-semite, even other Semitic people.
It seems that Jews are the only people that can criticize Israel without being called anti-semite. They get the self-hating Jew label instead.
No. Jews who come out against these actions are “self hating”. You can’t win.
Serious questions: Semites are Northern African and ??? Wikipedia was less than helpful, including the embedded link about ancient Semites https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
Semites are a large group of ethnicities that came about thousands of years ago and still exist today. Two of the largest groups are Arabs and Hebrews.
Yeah, was thinking Palestinians are Semites too. Thanks.
Tbf that’s probably by Israel’s design.
The more people are bullied into associating with Israel by antisemites, the more likely they are to hop on the right of return bandwagon.
This is partially because they want their own version of america’s demographic life support, partially because they want more settlers, and partially because they still have a SERIOUS chip on the shoulder over how American jews flatly rejected Zionism and the creation of Israel at the outset.
What anti-Semitic things were said at this particular rally? Do you know? Maybe I missed something, but the article seems rather sparse on details.
There were no anti-semitic things spoken. The issue is that both sides lack leadership and diplomacy. There must be a third party that comes in and breaks up the fighting.
The article is about a specific rally being condemned for being “reprehensible”. I want to know why it’s being called that and Politico is entirely unhelpful.
Smells of bias.
Its because a lot of the talking points fundamentally are anti-israeli people.
A huge push is made to argue that we must not equate Hamas (the closest thing Gaza has to a government) with Palestine. I very much argue this.
There is nowhere near as much of a push to not equate Netanyahu/The IDF/Mossad with Israel. I myself am guilty of doing this a lot of the time much in the same way I refer to “America” in Iraq and so forth.
And what that means is that people are arguing that the Israeli People are guilty of crimes, but the Palestinian people are not.
Same with all of the “the only answer is to roll the borders back to the 60s and engage in a two state solution” that ignore that the vast majority of the “settlers” are the descendants or immigrants and not the people who stole the land in the first place (a common issue with dealing with colonial powers). Its inherently a statement that the right of the Israeli civillians matters less than the Palestinian.
And we can see it with the reaction to the horrors of the past few days. There is a strong undercurrent of “we need a cease fire immediately”. I agree with this, but it also inherently states that the Israeli civillians and the foreigners don’t deserve any “justice” for their death and suffering but the Palestinians do.
And when you are rolling all these talking points together? It very much paints a picture of The Israeli People are at fault and deserve whatever they get. Which… becomes really easy to twist that into “Fucking Jews”
And it is one of the reasons that I actively do not have an opinion on what should be done right now. I want peace and I want The Country of Israel to answer for their decades of apartheid and atrocities. But I also understand that said atrocities were not one sided and the past 36 or so hours are very much in direct response to terrorist attacks by what is effectively a government that lives literally next door.
Its similar to the tendency to use passive and active voice to steer public opinion. The festival goers were killed, but the Palestinian civilians died. The former indicates active malice whereas the latter sounds like it is an unavoidable tragedy.
Anti-israel protests are anti-Semitic the same way that police stop-and-frisk policies are racist.
If you’re only subjecting one particular group to this special standard of scrutiny, it really doesn’t matter if you, personally, are a bigot. You’re participating in a bigoted system.
This is shit-tier journalism. Who said something antisemitic and what specifically did they say? Without that information this is merely propaganda.
Politico is owned by Axel Springer SE who also own the Bild, a german tabloid that regularly spreads hate about minorities and anything left of center right. Axel Springer also got funded by the CIA in exchange for promoting a pro american mindset.
Not disagreeing but citations would be nice.
Most of my sources would be in german but most of what I said is mentioned in the wikipedia article and its sources.
Who said I didn’t speak German?
Thanks for the info!
Article has no examples of anti-semitism allegedly at the rally. Criticizing Israel is no more racist than criticizing China for their uyghur genocide
This reminds me of the accusations of antisemitism that Jeremy Corbyn attracted during the last election in the UK. I kept asking for evidence of his antisemitism but nobody attacking him could provide anything of substance.
As far as I recall, he attended a funeral where one of the other guests had loose ties to an extremist group.
Some flimsy bullshit like that is why the next general election is going to be a choice between fascism and a feckless centrist party led by a wooden doll that wishes it was a real Tony Blair 😮💨
Guilt by association? I hate that it worked and I hate that people who are sympathetic to Israel would stoop so low.
Yeah, I couldn’t agree more tbh. I tried, but turns out there isn’t a higher level of agreement than “total” 🤷
Don’t you know? The Zionist definition of “antisemitism” includes “literally any criticism of their genocidal apartheid ethnostate, including pointing out that it is, in fact, a genocidal apartheid ethnostate.”
We need about 200 more AOCs <3
In general, yes, but not based on this.
Not really. She is an idealist and visionary. She has an idea for what the future of the country should be, but, from what I have seen, she never gets too deep in the details of how to achieve it. We need people like her to say that we should not be using fossil fuels to power our transportation, but we also need people who can determine how much funding the government needs to provide to put more chargers on public parking, what the fine would be for hogging the parking spot, how many parking enforcement officers we will need to patrol them all, how much the power grid will need to be updated to provide power to the chargers…
Yes, many of the details fall to the executive branch to execute, but Congress needs to allocate funding for it, remove legal barriers, decide on penalties for non-compliance, etc.
Honestly? Good on AOC. I have a lot of issues with the tankie tendencies of the DSA and so forth. But kudos for speaking out about bigotry and hate rather than just saying “we’re not with them. Anyway, let’s get back to chanting” as tends to happen in these situations.
Calling the DSA tankie is absolutely hilarious. They’re pretty much just a subsidiary of the democratic party.
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Examples of tankie tendencies of the DSA amd so forth? Lol this is hilarious because all the DSA does is tail democrats and cover for them.
Yeah calling the DSA tankie is the wildest take ive seen lately and that’s including all the other Palestine-Isreal threads.
And she’s not a democratic socialist by any stretch of the fevered dreams of imagination.
People have to create good guys/bad guys to suit their point of view I guess. This time it’s not that easy, the picture is not that clear for most. But, the vile animalistic acts of Hamas can’t be justified in any way. Now, I expect Israel to be draconian in their approach which will light them up more.
It’s almost like the Muslims want to exterminate Israel so if you protest Israel they show up and genocide is obviously their goal. Israel sucks but I’d never show up to an anti Israel rally for a reason.
In my experience it strongly depends on the organizers. The latest pro-palestine rally i attended was organized by some leftist organizations in coalition with local palestinians and that rally worked out very well. Some conspiracy nuts with signs how Jews rule the world were told to fuck off by some Antifa guys and everything else went very well. Also no national flags besides palestinian ones were allowed, i appreciated that a lot.
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I was a dues paying member of the DSA until this rally. I refuse to be associated with this kind of disgusting sentiment.
The group did not organize Sunday’s rally, its leadership said Monday. But several lawmakers with DSA ties are distancing themselves from what was said at the event.
Sure ya were, bud. Or, shittttt, maybe you were and just not mature enough not to let perfection be the enemy of good.
The DSA in New York promoted and supported this rally, the fact that they didn’t organize the thing directly is meaningless. I’m not associating with this kind of sentiment.
This is not a lack of perfection, this is an abhorrent cheering and support of terrorism against innocent civilians. I can direct my political efforts to the cause of progress without continuing to support a group that thinks that is acceptable.
No they didn’t
Yeah they did. Denial doesn’t change facts dude.
I usually catch their tweets but missed that you. You are right.
Gigachads having normal opinions vs cringe protestors yelling death threats? Right?
