• GBU_28@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      Why would he say that to a base that doesn’t want to hear it? His base is cool with what’s happening in gaza

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        2 months ago

        I’m starting to realize partial_acumen is either an idiot or arguing in bad faith and I don’t know why I argued with them for so long.

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          2 months ago

          Everything I’ve said has been quite clear. Achieve your own conclusions.

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            2 months ago

            He’s trying to do a gotcha thing where he’s saying that the democrats will lose as much votes as they’ll gain, same as the republicans, if they take an anti genocide stance. Which is a moronic thing to say when democrats are also preemptively blaming leftists for a possible harris loss because they’re taking a hard stance on genocide and trying to pressure Harris to also take this stance. It’s extra mega dumb.

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              He’s trying to do a gotcha thing

              Its not a “gotcha”, its the Socratic method.

              where he’s saying that the democrats will lose as much votes as they’ll gain, same as the republicans, if they take an anti genocide stance.

              No. Democrats will lose more votes than they gain. I don’t like Israels actions, but withholding a vote to Harris guarantees far worse treatment of the Muslim world (and anyone not white and rich) under Trump. Its why Harris hasn’t said your magic words. I don’t like the world is this way, but just wishing it was different isn’t enough.

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                2 months ago

                Well if it doesn’t matter anyway in your opinion, then you won’t mind if I continue to criticize Harris about how she and the Biden administration is handling it and not give a shit if it’s a hard line issue for me that I’m not willing to cross.

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                  Sure, go ahead. Its a free country…for now. I personally don’t like how its Israel is being empowered to continue its violence either, but skipping a vote for Harris is crossing your line as you’re empowering Trump to do far worse to far more people.

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                    2 months ago

                    Listen man, either the genocide vote matters and my original point stands or it doesn’t and you can fuck off with your guilt trip about not supporting anybody who supports a genocide. You don’t get it have it both ways.