• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I’m fairly certain the Democratic platform is to protect human rights.

    *offer void for Palestinians and trans people.

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      2 months ago

      Oh so Democrats are adopting policies to intentionally harm trans people now? To you not campaigning on something automatically means the candidate will work against that thing?

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        Oh so Democrats are adopting policies to intentionally harm teams people now?

        They came around on immigration. They’ll come around on trans rights. Wonder who’s next.

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          What is the cost of trans to society? Because there is in fact a cost to not keeping a minimum of control over how many people and who can immigrate to a country, so it’s perfectly normal to want people to get in through the regular process instead of jumping a wall.

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            2 months ago

            You’ve adopted Republican talking points about immigration. You’ll do the same with trans people.

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              It’s not a Republican talking point, it’s a pragmatic talking point. Just like you don’t give birth without the State knowing about it so they know who lives where and is entitled to what, you don’t want people immigrating without knowing about it and filtering the people coming in to catch the few that shouldn’t be allowed in the country at all.

              Progressive parties all over the world have the same point of view, immigration needs to happen but it needs to be done correctly.

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                It’s not a Republican talking point

                It 100% is. Which Republican talking points are you gonna adopt when (not if, WHEN) Democrats show their true colors to trans people like they have to the undocumented?

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                  Show me one country with a progressive party in power where they’ve just opened their border to anyone and everyone.

                  If housing is already problematic what do you do about the increased demand from opening the border?

                  If social services are already having issues keeping up with the population in place how do you deal with the increased demand from opening the border?

                  You know what’s more effective and less expensive than just opening your border? Making it so people have good living conditions back home so they don’t feel like they need to leave in the first place. The first world would be much better off investing in programs to help the third world develop itself and it would in fact be a much more progressive approach because for every migrant coming in a first world country, there’s a thousand people in their country they couldn’t afford to make the trip.

                  Edit: downvotes, no replies, as expected

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                    No one asked you to summarize Republicans’ talking points about the border. I’m surprised you didn’t spell it “boarder” like they do.

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        Thread’s about how the party ignored the rights of trans people. And I’ll notice you ignored what I said about Palestinians. Human rights also includes foreign policy.

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          Any defense of human rights is a defense of trans rights. I’m not sure why you find this confusing. Maybe you want these rights to be enumerated for pandering purposes?

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            Any defense of human rights is a defense of trans rights.

            Hogwash. It’s completely possible to defend human rights for some and not for others. Which is why you keep ignoring what I keep saying about Palestinians. How are their human rights holdin’ up? How are Democrats’ defense of human rights a defense for Palestinians’ rights?

            Oh yeah, they’re selling weapons for the genocide of Palestinians. Turns out, “any defense of human rights” is not the same thing as “defending all humans’ rights.”

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                Ok, so you want me to be happy with a party that is concerned with human rights for only some people.

                If your support for human rights does not include Palestinians, how can anyone trust that it includes trans people without some indicator?

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                  Do they need to mention every single group whose rights they want to protect or are you able to read between the lines and look at the policies Democrat States have adopted these past 4 years vs Republican States?

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                    I do not trust Democrats not to move to the right, as they do so every chance they have. Failure to address things like trans rights specifically means they’re the next group under the bus.