If we get supermajorities in the House and Senate it might. Otherwise, you’re probably right. When we have 50 dem senators and one of them is Joe Manchin, well…
Yeah, all the people bitching about Manchin never seem to get that the choice was always Manchin or a far right Republican, not Manchin or a west coast progressive.
You lost the ability to get anyone left of Manchin out of WV in 2000.
Guys, no, we just need to run a far left lefty candidate in WV. This R+40 state is absolutely clamoring to vote for socialism because reasons. The Dems won’t do it, though (both sides bad). Also it has to be a Dem and not a grassroots movement because this R+40 state clamoring to vote for a real socialist needs a socialist with DNC backing before they’ll stop voting for racism.
Interestingly enough, WV used to be a safe blue state for most of the state’s history. Literally Gore ruined that.
Because they weren’t blue due to progressive social policy, they were blue because of the unions. Gore went after the biggest union industries in the state, and no Dem since has thought how to fix it.
Of all people, Bernie did really well in the 2016 primary, but since Clinton got ~35% compared to Bernie’s ~53% she of course got a majority of our state’s delegates (by one).
If you wanted to get a Dem to poll well here, you’d have to drop the gun stuff almost entirely (a lot of rural folks and a lot of hunters, a lot of woods full of wild animals [and those woods are directly adjacent to most populated areas - the entire state is forested mountains], etc), not lead with the progressive social justice stuff (not denounce it, not ignore it, just not treat it as the top priority and focus of your message - it’s there but it’s not what you’re selling yourself on), and then double down on working class concerns (this should be what you lead with and emphasize). Think something adjacent to social populism.
That’s really interesting, I was not aware. Do you have anything more I could read on this? Wikipedia suggests that the change might be due to Gore’s focus on climate when so many people there make a living from coal, that sounds plausible as well.
Literally same thing. The largest exports for WV are coal, timber and natural gas.
WV had been consistently blue for most of state history, and the reasons for that were very much tied up in the labor movement, especially as regards unionizing coal mines. Support for Democrats in WV extended outward from the unions, especially the mine unions. And WV put up with some positions it broadly wasn’t fond of from Dems because of the unions (like the gun stuff).
Gore’s “focus on climate” was the start of the Dems being actively hostile to coal, and to a lesser extent natural gas and timber. It’s hard to keep most of your support coming from the union when you’re attacking the industry the union represents.
Hillary Clinton at least came up with an alternative plan but it both wasn’t very good and was sold in about the worst way possible. “I’m going to put a bunch of coal companies and coal miners out of business” was the single most heard Hillary Clinton quote in WV leading up to the election - it was at the heart of every ad for every GOP politician from Trump all the way down ballot. She did worse in the general here than she did in the primary, and she only got 35% in the primary, narrowly winning the state over Bernie Sanders at 53%.
Yeah well if it’s anything like the Democrats were in Arizona until recently the state party is basically defunct. You’ll have professional politicians running against single issue school teachers. The DNC is not good with reaching out to help state parties. A large part of the reason the GOP hasn’t died from going far right is the Democrats seem happy to let them have rural states without any fight. Which of course means the people there only get one political point of view too.
We have elected officials literally making up lies about teachers here to get them fired. Our sheriff got away with it because he is immune. They used our tax dollars to pay her off he wouldn’t have to get embarrassed in court before re-election
~~Democrats ~~ Liberals don’t want to push the envelope
Spineless liberals are losing ground in the party. Status quo and subservience to banks is no longer popular in our party. Progressives are slowly overcoming liberals.
Liberals want to throw money at problems, ignoring root causes
Progressives want to tackle the root causes
https://kamalaharris.medium.com/my-plan-for-medicare-for-all-7730370dd421
In 2019 she was for it.
Democrats don’t want to push the envelope though so it won’t happen.
If we get supermajorities in the House and Senate it might. Otherwise, you’re probably right. When we have 50 dem senators and one of them is Joe Manchin, well…
Good news is we don’t have to worry about Manchin anymore. Bad news is that’s pretty much a GOP seat now.
Yeah, all the people bitching about Manchin never seem to get that the choice was always Manchin or a far right Republican, not Manchin or a west coast progressive.
You lost the ability to get anyone left of Manchin out of WV in 2000.
Guys, no, we just need to run a far left lefty candidate in WV. This R+40 state is absolutely clamoring to vote for socialism because reasons. The Dems won’t do it, though (both sides bad). Also it has to be a Dem and not a grassroots movement because this R+40 state clamoring to vote for a real socialist needs a socialist with DNC backing before they’ll stop voting for racism.
Interestingly enough, WV used to be a safe blue state for most of the state’s history. Literally Gore ruined that.
Because they weren’t blue due to progressive social policy, they were blue because of the unions. Gore went after the biggest union industries in the state, and no Dem since has thought how to fix it.
Of all people, Bernie did really well in the 2016 primary, but since Clinton got ~35% compared to Bernie’s ~53% she of course got a majority of our state’s delegates (by one).
If you wanted to get a Dem to poll well here, you’d have to drop the gun stuff almost entirely (a lot of rural folks and a lot of hunters, a lot of woods full of wild animals [and those woods are directly adjacent to most populated areas - the entire state is forested mountains], etc), not lead with the progressive social justice stuff (not denounce it, not ignore it, just not treat it as the top priority and focus of your message - it’s there but it’s not what you’re selling yourself on), and then double down on working class concerns (this should be what you lead with and emphasize). Think something adjacent to social populism.
That’s really interesting, I was not aware. Do you have anything more I could read on this? Wikipedia suggests that the change might be due to Gore’s focus on climate when so many people there make a living from coal, that sounds plausible as well.
Literally same thing. The largest exports for WV are coal, timber and natural gas.
WV had been consistently blue for most of state history, and the reasons for that were very much tied up in the labor movement, especially as regards unionizing coal mines. Support for Democrats in WV extended outward from the unions, especially the mine unions. And WV put up with some positions it broadly wasn’t fond of from Dems because of the unions (like the gun stuff).
Gore’s “focus on climate” was the start of the Dems being actively hostile to coal, and to a lesser extent natural gas and timber. It’s hard to keep most of your support coming from the union when you’re attacking the industry the union represents.
Hillary Clinton at least came up with an alternative plan but it both wasn’t very good and was sold in about the worst way possible. “I’m going to put a bunch of coal companies and coal miners out of business” was the single most heard Hillary Clinton quote in WV leading up to the election - it was at the heart of every ad for every GOP politician from Trump all the way down ballot. She did worse in the general here than she did in the primary, and she only got 35% in the primary, narrowly winning the state over Bernie Sanders at 53%.
hilarious a state filled with fentanyl addicted welfare-queens is against socialism lol
I live near the border. that place is a dystopian redneck hellhole
Dare I ask which border? Like are we talking South Point OH, Marietta OH, somewhere like Ashland KY or on the VA or MA borders?
How dumb do you think I am
Yeah well if it’s anything like the Democrats were in Arizona until recently the state party is basically defunct. You’ll have professional politicians running against single issue school teachers. The DNC is not good with reaching out to help state parties. A large part of the reason the GOP hasn’t died from going far right is the Democrats seem happy to let them have rural states without any fight. Which of course means the people there only get one political point of view too.
We have elected officials literally making up lies about teachers here to get them fired. Our sheriff got away with it because he is immune. They used our tax dollars to pay her off he wouldn’t have to get embarrassed in court before re-election
He is a hardcore Trumper
~~Democrats ~~ Liberals don’t want to push the envelope
Spineless liberals are losing ground in the party. Status quo and subservience to banks is no longer popular in our party. Progressives are slowly overcoming liberals.
Liberals want to throw money at problems, ignoring root causes Progressives want to tackle the root causes